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1 posted on 04/27/2008 2:49:04 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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I have made this case many times. The imperfection of biology suggests evolution, rather than ID/Creationism. In fact, the complexity of biological processes that is the main pillar of ID, is really an argument AGAINST ID.

A supernatural being/God doesn’t have to create through complexity. It/He is not subject to the laws of nature. Nature, on the other hand, must obey the laws of physics.


2 posted on 04/27/2008 3:05:34 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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I have made this case many times. The imperfection of biology suggests evolution, rather than ID/Creationism. In fact, the complexity of biological processes that is the main pillar of ID, is really an argument AGAINST ID.

A supernatural being/God doesn’t have to create through complexity. It/He is not subject to the laws of nature. Nature, on the other hand, must obey the laws of physics.


3 posted on 04/27/2008 3:06:08 AM PDT by Soliton (McCain couldn't even win a McCain look-alike contest)
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To prove that evolution is imperfect you double posted your reply. Right?


4 posted on 04/27/2008 3:17:39 AM PDT by Keli Kilohana (Editor, ZARR CHASM CHRONICAL [sic], Sore, WV)
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The brain, superior to any computer made today.

The eye, superior to any camera made today.

To create a self reproducing robot with all the attributes of man, is way beyond our ability for a long time to come.

And you base evolution on a hiccup.


15 posted on 04/27/2008 4:12:57 AM PDT by liliesgrandpa ("Republican Party = "Hold Your Nose and Vote Party"")
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the argument should be where life began, In the begining, there was nothing, How can something come from nothing. A big bang? From what?

the origins of life... its takes nore faith to believe that something came from absolute nothing than created by an eternal God... (even though my mind goes to Who created God even though he always was, my finite mind has a hard tine grasping the beginning assuming all things have a starting point.)

the beginning... when there was nothing. All matter has to be created or to have come from some pre-existing matter for any proccess live evolution to start. A big bang needed to have at least some form of matter to have the bang no?

think about it...

something from nothing... I’m not buying it. Then there is “reason, spirit, emotion. Sorry, I also don’t buy mixing chemicals together will create reason and spirit. If life is so easy to create spontaneously, how is it the smart scientists have not yet created life by mixing the raw components of life together to create life?

mind boggling...


19 posted on 04/27/2008 4:23:35 AM PDT by dubie
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Thanks Canuck! I appreciate rationality.


27 posted on 04/27/2008 4:46:44 AM PDT by Ka-leo-lani
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1 Then the LORD addressed Job out of the storm and said:
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Who is this that obscures divine plans with words of ignorance?
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2 Gird up your loins now, like a man; I will question you, and you tell me the answers!
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Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.
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Who determined its size; do you know? Who stretched out the measuring line for it?
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Into what were its pedestals sunk, and who laid the cornerstone,
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3 While the morning stars sang in chorus and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
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And who shut within doors the sea, when it burst forth from the womb;
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When I made the clouds its garment and thick darkness its swaddling bands?
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When I set limits for it and fastened the bar of its door,
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And said: Thus far shall you come but no farther, and here shall your proud waves be stilled!
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Have you ever in your lifetime commanded the morning and shown the dawn its place
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For taking hold of the ends of the earth, till the wicked are shaken from its surface?
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The earth is changed as is clay by the seal, and dyed as though it were a garment;
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But from the wicked the light is withheld, and the arm of pride is shattered.
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Have you entered into the sources of the sea, or walked about in the depths of the abyss?
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Have the gates of death been shown to you, or have you seen the gates of darkness?
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Have you comprehended the breadth of the earth? Tell me, if you know all:
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Which is the way to the dwelling place of light, and where is the abode of darkness,
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That you may take them to their boundaries and set them on their homeward paths?

Job 38


34 posted on 04/27/2008 5:10:49 AM PDT by Raycpa
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the LORD God formed man out of the clay of the ground and blew into his nostrils the breath of life, and so man became a living being. Gen 2

The hiccup reminds us of our need to have God blow the breath of life into our lungs.

Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, [a] because you have struggled with God and with men and have overcome."Gen 32

Hernia's and other struggles remind us of our imperfections and our need for a savior despite our hatred of God and His ways.

40 posted on 04/27/2008 5:28:55 AM PDT by Raycpa
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Very interesting article.


54 posted on 04/27/2008 6:12:05 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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Evolution is about the body - God is about the soul. Two completely different areas of study. We choose to incarnate in a form that evolved on Earth in order to experience the Universe through its eyes. In other parts of the Universe, God's souls are incarnating in other types of bodies. Someday, some of those distant cousins might show up for a visit and really knock the theologians on their ears....

You have a body - you are a soul. People who think they are a body fight against evolution, because it seems to lessen them. They don't want to think of themselves as hairless apes. They know intuitively that they are higher beings, but can't explain the body's shortcomings without resorting to some sort of reductio ad absurdum argument about how "God made us perfect." Thus the current quest to make Intelligent Design a scientific discipline when it is really a religious doctrine pertaining to how the soul is able to inhabit and use more advanced forms of Earthly life - and not a completely invalid one, just not a science.

It's perfectly valid to conclude that a Designer created the first Life - many scientists do. But it's also clear that He gave that Life an intelligence so that it could it develop further on its own.

80 posted on 04/27/2008 6:49:52 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man’s “magic” is another man’s engineering. “Supernatural” is a null word." -- Robert Hei)
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read later


127 posted on 04/27/2008 11:09:44 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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213 posted on 04/27/2008 6:36:33 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Holy State or Holy King - Or Holy People's Will - Have no truck with the senseless thing.)
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