Posted on 04/13/2008 8:57:18 PM PDT by claudiustg
SAN ANGELO — A Texas judge on Sunday ordered law enforcement officials to immediately confiscate all cell phones in the possession of FLDS women and children now housed in temporary quarters here. "I just called to say, hi. They are about to collect the phones, I think," one soft-spoken FLDS woman said during a telephone call to another member of the Fundamentalist LDS Church who was outside of the shelter. "I don't like what they're doing."
Several of the women inside the shelters spoke by cell phone to the Deseret News on Saturday to describe the living conditions there. Children could be heard crying in the background of each conversation. The News published an article on Sunday, quoting the women who complained there was no privacy and that their children were getting sick.
FLDS faithful outside the shelter are convinced Sunday's court order is a direct result of the women speaking to the newspaper.
"This is nothing more than retaliation of Child Protective Services to punish those who were disclosing what is really happening behind the walls of this concentration camp," said Don, an FLDS member who asked that his last name not be used. "These are my family members."
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http://www.epinions.com/content_407516253828
It's title is "Escape" and it was written by Carolyn Jessups. I picked it up in a bookstore one night while we were waiting for a child to come in from a late basketball game, and I nearly finished it while we were waiting.
The heavy hand of the govt. Bare-knuckled mercies. No one should be surprised.
What these victims need, each and every one, is an advocate, a friend, a fellow human being; and time to decompress.
Instead they’re getting separated, relocated, redistributed, invasively examined, threatened, and stripped of their possessions.
Every woman should be reunited with her children and taken in by a foster family, and I don’t mean people on the govt payroll. Just leave them alone for about six months, let them adjust gradually to freedom and self-sovereignty.
Meanwhile, the men charged with, or accused of abuse should get restraining orders so they cannot contact or influence their alleged victims.
Guarantee the situations will be a whole lot clearer by Thanksgiving.
The govt should be doing nothing for the ones it calls victims, except advertising for foster families to step up and open their arms.
This is typical CPS modu operendi. CPS is known to exploit children, and the gay adoption scheme is one of those. The communication scheme is so these people are forced to pay lawyers and government officials to provide for the communication. It's a pure control and $ scheme. They don't want the children to fear the government but the government can go ahead and make the children fear the parents. Add to that the bogus "privacy for children" rule which prevents juries from sitting on trials, and, instead gives full privacy for gov-officials to figure how to share the "child support" tax the parents will have to pay without representation to the various organizations, lawyers and governments.
My question is about the central claim of the government that these women and children were virtual prisoners of an evil dominant male hierarchy — then why do these women own cell phones?
Surely, a person free enough to own a cell phone is not a prisoner.
Unless of course you are the guest of the Texas CPS bureaucrats then no Free Speech will be entertained.
Ironic, ain’t it.
enabling is complicit - it is a violation of the law
OK. Tell me about Constitutional rigths.
In particular the Constitutional rights of those women and children being held in that compound.
The men clearly had them and knew how to exercise them.
As citizens of this country, do the FLDS women and children have any Constitutional rights? Were they free to exercise them? Did they know that they had Constitutional rights? Had they ever even HEARD of the Constitution?
Who was looking out for THEIR Constitutional rights? Their husbands? Each other? You? Other FReepers who are so worried about getting THEIR OWN Constitutional rights trashed that they would allow these women and children to continue living in those horrendous conditions?
The only entity that I see taking any steps to do anything to protect these women and children from further abuse and denial of their Constitutional rights, is the big, bad, evil government that’s getting shredded for its actions.
So what do you personally plan to do to help these women and children? Do you not think that what’s been going on is wrong? Will you just sit back and turn a blind eye to rape, abuse, and slavery because it’s none of your business, and yet at the same time bind the hands of the only people who are capable of stopping it?
I find it incredibly ironic that people are worried about someone’s Constitutional rights because they are not permitted to have cell phones during a criminal investigation, and yet are willing to let these people have NO Constitutional rights by forcing them to live in these conditions, where the rights of one group of people (the men) trump the rights of anyone under their control.
That would be the cult themselves. Tell me about those women and children's Constitutional rights and how they've been able to exercise them all their lives.
Um, no. Stoning rapists is a religious practice. Those who are protecting them are those who think the First Amendment protects ALL allegedly religious behavior and ties the hands of the government to protect them from that.
That anyone here on FR would actually defend child rape and then have FR allow that person to remain on the site is simply astounding
Read real slow, any mature adult woman, that aids in the rape of a child is herself no better than the perverted male and or female involved and is just as guilty. And just as perverted. To live in a community where the rape of children is a common practice the women who have done nothing about it should be put in jail as well as the one who physically committed the rape. It is called aiding and abetting , wee mind. Aiding and Abetting/Accessory A criminal charge of aiding and abetting or accessory can usually be brought against anyone who helps in the commission of a crime, though legal distinctions vary by state. A person charged with aiding and abetting or accessory is usually not present when the crime itself is committed, but he or she has knowledge of the crime before or after the fact, and may assist in its commission through advice, actions, or financial support. Depending on the degree of involvement, the offender's participation in the crime may rise to the level of conspiracy. FROM http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/aiding_abetting_accessory.html
The court can issue a gag order. Or restraining orders on the men they're accusing. Taking the victim's phone away is so insanely stupid, only a govt dysfunctionary could have thought it up.
Except that I think many, if not most, of them are not willing accessories to the acts. Some of the older ones, the alpha females, as it were, who controlled the rest, could likely be held accountable.
Don't forget, that people who cause trouble in this group have a tendency to disappear. The women will get beaten, or be forced to watch their children get beaten. They'll be threatened with eternal damnation for not co-operating.
They've been raised this way, taught from childhood that it's right and *God's will*. At what point do you hold someone so thoroughly indoctrinated and manipulated accountable?
The psychological manipulation of these women alone would explain why most of them did nothing to stop it. Not only did they think they could not stop it, they were probably right.
The government had search warrants in this case.
What’s happening here is not the scenario you’ve observed overseas.
Another protector and defender of pedophilia, rape, slavery, abuse of religion, and psychological manipulation pops up to defend the FLDS.
Why don’t you learn what this group is about before defending them? Oh, wait a minute, you claim to... Must be you approve of them.
Tell you what... If you think they’re so peachy, why don’t you invite them down your way so they can continue their practices in your country?
I guess you don’t think those women and children are entitled to any rights at all either. Just the men. Figures.
If you’re not sure how it’s being handled, then why are you criticizing the government for how they’re doing it?
They have info on this group. They’ve been watching them and know what’s been going on. They got a call for help. That gave them what they needed to issue a search warrant, which is what they did.
What procedures has the government done that have not been Constitutional?
This is a huge mess. It’s going to take time to sort out who’s who and do the genetic testing that’s needed. Many of these people have left of their own free will. Should they be forced to go back?
They’re being taken away from their own mothers and being reassigned while living in the compound. Is that OK because its *religious*? You’re condemning the government for doing the same thing you’re protecting in the cult.
Dry wit, sarcasm and and humor are totally lost on you aren’t they?
Besides, YOU’RE Brad Pitt! I’M Aunt Bea. Seems you’re coming out ahead on this ;)
As for my comment on her dress-— Don’t suppose what I may have said and I won’t suppose what you may have said, though I do have a pretty clear understanding of whose side you appear to always take.
I stand by what I said-— I’d rather see a free woman sitting there nakked that a brainwashed drone in something that probably would never have been her choice.
The mothers could also be deemed incompetent, in the sense that their ability to function without assistance (and I mean on the most basic level) is pretty poor.
Lots or ironies here indeed.
Are we only able to enjoy the right to practice religion if the government agrees on the definition of that religion?
Why not break up the Catholic Church; plenty of documented sexual perversions in that church..??..
Seriously, it looks like a heavy wool gaberdine and yeah, far too heavy for this time of year. Like you said, my grandmother wore similar clothing, but it was meant for heat and it was made out of fabrics that suited.
If it’s a choice, I’m all for ugly dresses. I guess I see it more as just one more bit of control.
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