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US Ponders: How Deep Is Economic Abyss?
AP ^ | 23 March 2008 | Rachel Beck and Erin Mcclam

Posted on 03/23/2008 7:09:53 PM PDT by oblomov

NEW YORK (AP) -- For months, Americans have been subjected to a sort of economic water torture -- a maddening drip of bad news about jobs, gas prices, sagging home values, creeping inflation, the slouching dollar and a stock market in bumpy descent.

Then came Bear Stearns. One of the five largest U.S. investment banks nearly collapsed in a single day before the government propped it up by backing emergency loans and a rival stepped in to buy it for a paltry $2 per share.

To the drumbeat of signs that seemed to foretell a traditional recession, this added a nightmarish specter -- an old-style run on the bank, customers clamoring to pull their cash, a stately Wall Street firm brought to its knees.

The combination has forced the economy to the forefront of the national conversation in a way it has not been since the go-go 1990s, and for entirely opposite reasons.

As economists and Wall Street types grope for historical perspective -- which is another way of saying a road map out of this mess -- Americans are nervously wondering about retirement savings, interest rates, jobs that had seemed safe.

They are surveying the economic landscape and asking: Just how bad is it?

They are peering over the edge and asking: How far down?

And the scariest part of all? No one can say for sure.

Even before the crippling of Bear Stearns, the U.S. economy was acting as a slowly tightening vise -- an interconnected web of factors combining to squeeze Americans from all sides.

Take Jaci Rae of Salinas, Calif. She runs a company, Luco Sport, that sells golf bags and accessories. The merchandise is made with foam, which is based on petroleum, so record oil prices have taken a heavy toll.

(Excerpt) Read more at biz.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creditcrisis; economy; garyk; recession
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To: oblomov

“How Deep Is Economic Abyss?”

We could find out by electing Her Thighness. Wall Street will plummet.


21 posted on 03/23/2008 9:21:31 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Matchett-PI
I believe there is a good chance that we are going to see rotation into areas that have been dead in the water... how about RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, TRAVEL , TRANSPORTS and the like.

You get where I am going with this. If we do not get rotation into these areas... look out as the market will break. If we do get rotation, I expect the market to hold. Sounds about right...

22 posted on 03/23/2008 9:27:04 PM PDT by GOPJ (Remember your ABC's -- Anybody But Clinton.)
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To: Pelham
"Maybe she doesn’t buy gas and grows her own food."

Not true. I'm no different. These economic times have had a minor effect on me personally. If nothing else, my family is probably better off than we have ever been. Sure fuel costs are higher, and groceries are a bit more expensive, but I have yet to NOT drive somewhere I was planning on driving because of gasoline prices being higher, and we are continuing to purchase groceries as we aways have.

23 posted on 03/23/2008 9:33:56 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: Dogbert41

That about sums it all up. Add Congress to getting involved in market manipulation of housing as well.


24 posted on 03/23/2008 9:36:06 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: KoRn

I am happy for you and not bitter your doing well. If your wealth was honestly earned and you wish to keep it, you had better get active with knowing all the facts and get ready to get involved in responsible politics, investing in American energy independence or both. Because at the end of the day, you will also feel the pain if you don’t, you and your family will just feel it 3-4 years from now.


25 posted on 03/23/2008 9:40:51 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: oblomov
The combination has forced the economy to the forefront of the national conversation in a way it has not been since the go-go 1990s, and for entirely opposite reasons.

This author seems to have forgotten the year 2001.

26 posted on 03/23/2008 9:45:25 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Wipe the national hard drive and reinstall the Constitution.)
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To: GOPJ

I agree. And I get the impression that Gary is looking for that rotation to happen. He was one of the first “bears” in the room and was almost alone in there.

He has always said that when the room finally gets crowded wall to wall when everyone is talking about fearing another “Great Depression”, he knows that it’s almost time for him to get out of that room as the market has just about bottomed by then.

I think that if he gets that rotation he’s looking for, he’ll start buying while the others are still holding hands in the bear room. :)


27 posted on 03/23/2008 9:46:58 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (I want to see Jindal or Romney as McCain's VP running mate!)
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To: KoRn

Many of my coworkers drive more than 30 miles to get to work, not untypical in southern California. Gasoline costs are killing their budgets. It’s not journalistic hype out here.


28 posted on 03/23/2008 10:00:50 PM PDT by Pelham (Press 1 for English)
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To: KoRn

My grandfather...who lived to be a hundred...commented once on the early 1930s, Alabama and the depression. As he said...it came and went...and no one locally noticed much of anything. Those in rural America and on farms...just kept growing and selling. They all found jobs to bring in money and no one starved to death. The few who did leave the area...all went to California...and three decades later...they were all enormously rich.

I suspect that we all have some magic feeling over the word “depression” and think of it as the pit. The only ones who truly suffered out of this period...were wealthy millionaires who gambled big and lost big.


29 posted on 03/23/2008 10:34:53 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: NoLibZone; Dogbert41

You’re leaving out a large group who are equally responsible: the voters who keep putting these criminals back in office.


30 posted on 03/23/2008 10:40:41 PM PDT by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: KoRn

I agree with you. Things are going extremely well for me and my family. Furthermore, the company I work for supplies equipment to heavy industry and our business has never been better and that’s saying something for a +70 year old company.


31 posted on 03/23/2008 10:55:24 PM PDT by tatown (Better to Burn Up than Fade Away...)
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To: pepsionice
The only ones who truly suffered out of this period...were wealthy millionaires who gambled big and lost big.

I just can't let this nonsense go unchallenged.

The Great Depression caused enormous suffering throughout America.

Many people had no work and no money. That translated into no food. This was not just among the wealthy or in small pockets of the country. There were soup lines and many able-bodied men "rode the rails" looking for work somewhere.. anywhere.

My own grandmother in rural West Virginia would often see strangers show up offering to do any kind of chores for food because they were hungry.

Many farmers lost everything because they couldn't raise the money to continue paying even their small mortgages.

The Great Depression was a terrible time for millions of Americans.

My 81-year-old father-in-law said he remembers you could buy a bottle of soda pop for a nickel but NOBODY HAD A NICKEL.

America suffered more than 30% unemployment and the political upheaval was tremendous. The psychological devastation and feeling of despair and helplessness of that period affected everyone who experienced it for the rest of their lives.

We cannot face the truth about the future when denying the truth about the past.

Just because one Alabama farmer's recollection of the Great Depression was not painful does not mean the rest of the country did not suffer horribly.

32 posted on 03/24/2008 3:34:51 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: KoRn

Ah yes, “the look”; no doubt tacit recognition, if only briefly, that you haven’t been sufficiently worked over. I get that a lot. :)


33 posted on 03/24/2008 4:42:16 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Pelham
Not only that the federal government is in debt to the tune of $9.5 trillion, the US consumer is tapped out with their credit cards, personal savings is at an all-time low, The US averages $400 billion in trade deficits per quarter, food is 3 times the cost it was 5 years ago (that's a 300% increase, fuel is twice as expensive as the price pre-Katrina, and now the central banks are wanting the taxpayer to pay for worthless paper as a large group of bankers and big-player investors sit laughing on top of hundreds of billions of scammed loot.

OK, so, just how are we to spend ourselves out of this mess with hyper-stagflation in place and gaining momentum? Just ask those in Kalifornika and the debt the state is running.....looks like all the college education in the world can't provide common sense, integrity and conservative fiscal policy.

34 posted on 03/24/2008 4:53:31 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: pepsionice
Those in rural America and on farms...just kept growing and selling

Maybe you better try telling that to them...
35 posted on 03/24/2008 7:01:49 AM PDT by Santa Fe_Conservative (The RINOs think that they have won but we shall see who has the last laugh in '08...)
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative
The difference between now and in the 1930s is that the commodities boom of the prior decade caused farmers to basically use all of their availible land to meet demand. This is NOT good for topsoil, hence the "dustbowl."

Haven't heard any reports of farmers not rotating their growing patterns/exhausting the topsoil. Yet.

36 posted on 03/24/2008 7:05:41 AM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: RSmithOpt

“Just ask those in Kalifornika “

Mexifornia is the preferred term out here.


37 posted on 03/24/2008 8:57:10 PM PDT by Pelham (Press 1 for English)
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To: Pelham

My bad, sorry....libs and illegals... 3/4 of the problems with that state.


38 posted on 03/25/2008 5:25:30 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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