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US Ponders: How Deep Is Economic Abyss?
AP ^ | 23 March 2008 | Rachel Beck and Erin Mcclam

Posted on 03/23/2008 7:09:53 PM PDT by oblomov

NEW YORK (AP) -- For months, Americans have been subjected to a sort of economic water torture -- a maddening drip of bad news about jobs, gas prices, sagging home values, creeping inflation, the slouching dollar and a stock market in bumpy descent.

Then came Bear Stearns. One of the five largest U.S. investment banks nearly collapsed in a single day before the government propped it up by backing emergency loans and a rival stepped in to buy it for a paltry $2 per share.

To the drumbeat of signs that seemed to foretell a traditional recession, this added a nightmarish specter -- an old-style run on the bank, customers clamoring to pull their cash, a stately Wall Street firm brought to its knees.

The combination has forced the economy to the forefront of the national conversation in a way it has not been since the go-go 1990s, and for entirely opposite reasons.

As economists and Wall Street types grope for historical perspective -- which is another way of saying a road map out of this mess -- Americans are nervously wondering about retirement savings, interest rates, jobs that had seemed safe.

They are surveying the economic landscape and asking: Just how bad is it?

They are peering over the edge and asking: How far down?

And the scariest part of all? No one can say for sure.

Even before the crippling of Bear Stearns, the U.S. economy was acting as a slowly tightening vise -- an interconnected web of factors combining to squeeze Americans from all sides.

Take Jaci Rae of Salinas, Calif. She runs a company, Luco Sport, that sells golf bags and accessories. The merchandise is made with foam, which is based on petroleum, so record oil prices have taken a heavy toll.

(Excerpt) Read more at biz.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creditcrisis; economy; garyk; recession
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It's quite telling how the media portray this credit crisis as if it just emerged out of nowhere and caught everyone by surprise. And it's also interesting to observe the media move so quickly from asking "Are we in a recession?" to "How deep is the abyss?"
1 posted on 03/23/2008 7:09:55 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: oblomov
Butbutbutbut the "stimulus" is going to fix this, right? Right? RIGHT?
2 posted on 03/23/2008 7:17:15 PM PDT by LiberConservative ("Stimulus" = $millions$ for China)
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To: oblomov

No one can say for sure. .

but if you vote Democrat in November, we can bring an end to all of your anxiety MSM


3 posted on 03/23/2008 7:21:22 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: oblomov

It’s as deep as the oil is burried. Want someone to blame? Blame Congress. They stopped the Nuclear plants, they stopped the drilling, they stopped the refineries. Then they all got in bed with the oil princes in the Gulf and sold the Americans down the river for $100 dollars a barrel when it costs .50 cents a barrel to bring it up.


4 posted on 03/23/2008 7:23:41 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: ex-Texan; TigerLikesRooster; jas3; CodeToad; AndyJackson; ovrtaxt; nicmarlo; dennisw; Pelham; ...
"There is absolutely no truth to the rumors of liquidity problems that circulated today in the market. Bear Stearns' balance sheet, liquidity and capital remain strong."~~Alan Schwartz, Bear Stearns CEO, March 10, 2008
5 posted on 03/23/2008 7:29:40 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: lonestar67

“How deep is the abyss?”

Until a Democrat is elected, only Democrats paying non-producer’s bills with someone else’s money will do.


6 posted on 03/23/2008 7:30:03 PM PDT by Son House (Democrat High Tax Rates Suppress Opportunity and Jobs..)
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To: oblomov

Gary Kaltbaum http://www.garyk.com/

Links to his latest commentary here:
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/stocks/commentary/gkitermi/-75870.cfm

Major League Rotation By Gary Kaltbaum
TradingMarkets.com
March 20, 2008 10:00 AM ET

There is a very good chance the last of the bull market sectors have now entered their own private bear market... at least for the near term. These are the sectors I have been writing about as holding up during the carnage. This includes GOLD/SILVER, OIL, COMMODITIES, FERTILIZERS and AGRICULTURE. They have been the only game in town thus a lot of late money and a lot of momentum money flooded in. That cuts both ways as momentum is twice as quick to get out... thus the recent yonking. I do believe there is a longer term bull market in the COMMODITIES but there was no way they could keep the rate of ascent they have been experiencing.

That leads me to the potential good side of the equation. I am a big believer in inter-market work. That simply means if OIL goes down, what benefits? If COMMODITIES drop, what benefits? I believe there is a good chance that we are going to see rotation into areas that have been dead in the water... how about RETAIL, RESTAURANTS, TRAVEL , TRANSPORTS and the like.

You get where I am going with this. If we do not get rotation into these areas... look out as the market will break. If we do get rotation, I expect the market to hold.

[snip]


7 posted on 03/23/2008 7:32:17 PM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Hillary is what the Clintons look like with their pants up." ~ Mark Steyn 2/23/08)
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To: Son House
How deep is the abyss?”

BIS (Bank of International Settlements) reports about $600 TRILLION of notional obligations which could come due at any given moment. Apparently BS was going under because of this (14 trillion) which was beginning to unwind. Given to Morgan-Chase (who had about 70 trillion). Notional value becomes actual value upon demand performance by the purchacer of the derivitive. If performance is impossible, then those in line become victims. This is very dangerous gambling. Totally irresponsible.

8 posted on 03/23/2008 7:35:07 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: Travis McGee

The Abyss is large because the debt was sold, the collateral is overseas in their banks.


9 posted on 03/23/2008 7:36:27 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: oblomov

The out of control gov’t spending has nothing to do eith it, right? Throw the bums out!


10 posted on 03/23/2008 7:38:18 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (No mas Juan "Traitor Rat" McAmnesty)
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To: VRWC For Truth
Hold on for the ride, we sold our debt.

One

11 posted on 03/23/2008 7:42:23 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: oblomov

A woman I work with mentioned a “recession coming up” a few months back. I asked her if she was doing worse economically, or anything of the sort and she said “no”. I then asked her what she was personally concerned about, and she couldn’t give me an answer, she just gave me an add look, as if I was crazy for asking such a question. I think with most people, the media ‘announces’ there is a recession, and the sheeple just fall in line and behave like there is one.


12 posted on 03/23/2008 7:50:43 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: oblomov
Since last year, people have been talking about a economic slow down in 2008. The fear-mongering only makes it appear worse.
13 posted on 03/23/2008 7:59:04 PM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: oblomov

It’s a “media created crisis”.


14 posted on 03/23/2008 7:59:57 PM PDT by gunservative
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To: Matchett-PI

I agree with Kaltbaum. I think we will see a big pullback in commodities here. Commodities have been a leveraged trade for a lot of hedge funds, and now the financial system is being de-leveraged.


15 posted on 03/23/2008 8:02:19 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: oblomov
"economic water torture"

a result no doubt of economic global warming.

16 posted on 03/23/2008 8:16:40 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: gunservative
It’s a “media created crisis”.

Bear-Stearns at $2 a share us not media created. A quick series of interest rate cuts is not media created. A foolish stimulus package hastily assembled is not media created. $111 dollar a barrel oil is not media created. We are in for a serious ride. And it was mostly caused by our policies in the domestic production of energy. Our environmental, tax, and social regulations have produced the business environment we now endure. It is not looking good. No matter how you try to explain away the enormous increase in the expense of oil, that increase will have an effect. It is happening now.

17 posted on 03/23/2008 8:20:21 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Dogbert41
"Blame Congress. They stopped the Nuclear plants, they stopped the drilling, they stopped the refineries. "

Exactly.

Each of them should that voted for such must be hanged ,drawn and quartered. Then buried in unmarked graves in Mexico.

18 posted on 03/23/2008 9:00:33 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Duncan Hunter- The very Govts unwilling to support us in the WOT got the Fuel Tanker Deal)
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To: KoRn

“I asked her if she was doing worse economically, or anything of the sort and she said “no”.”

Maybe she doesn’t buy gas and grows her own food.


19 posted on 03/23/2008 9:14:55 PM PDT by Pelham (Press 1 for English)
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To: Texas Songwriter

Last figures I saw for JP Morgan was a $97.3 trillion exposure to derivatives.


20 posted on 03/23/2008 9:19:18 PM PDT by Content Provider
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