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Obama: "I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ."
Christianity Today ^ | 1/23/2008 | Sarah Pulliam and Ted Olsen

Posted on 03/06/2008 6:56:59 PM PST by van_erwin

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To: van_erwin; ZULU; Jorge; The Invisible Hand
I copied these quotes from an earlier thread about Obama...just in case some of you may have missed it.

Quote from Barack Obama’s book, Dreams Of My Father: “The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam.”

From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school” “I studied the Koran..”

From ‘Audacity of Hope: “Lolo (Obama’s step father) followed a brand of Islam ....”I looked to Lolo for guidance”.

From ‘The Audacity Of Hope, “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

From The Audacity Of Hope, “We are no longer just a Christian nation,” “We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.”

From Dreams of My Father, “ I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”.

From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “The emotion between the races could never be pure..... the other race would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”

From ‘Dreams of My Father’, “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”

From Dreams Of My Father, “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself..”.

From Dreams Of My Father: “That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, blaming “white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”

From Dreams Of My Father; “There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names”

From Dreams Of My Father, “I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to suspicions between the races.”

These quotes tell me all I need to know about Obama's Muslim leanings AND his own racist prejudice against whites.

101 posted on 03/06/2008 8:28:07 PM PST by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: Bosco

Amen!


102 posted on 03/06/2008 8:34:45 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: bjcintennessee

I don’t doubt you are quoting right out his books, but it would be nice to have the Chapter and Page numbers to back this up with.

It is beyond my comprehension how he can categorically deny he went to a muslim school if he said that he attended one in his book?

Am I missing something here?


103 posted on 03/06/2008 8:41:21 PM PST by shineon
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To: neodad
The DUmmies head’s must be exploding.

No they are not.....remember, its OK if there own talk about Christ. Its similar to when they discovered that once a Dem got into office those noisy air force jets belonged to them.

104 posted on 03/06/2008 8:44:02 PM PST by Archie Bunker on steroids (Hillary Supporters ....... Fags and Hags)
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To: van_erwin

The problem with this article is that Obama reiterates his bland denial of ever having been a Muslim, in spite of the evidence to the contrary.

This puts everything else in dubious light.


105 posted on 03/06/2008 9:04:53 PM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: Philo-Junius

Obama: “I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

Yes ... and so does the devil....


106 posted on 03/06/2008 9:14:56 PM PST by RED SOUTH
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To: alecqss; All

No you can’t “that too”!

A Christian knows, without any doubt, that when they die they will end up in heaven with God.

If a person doubts that .. they ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN!


107 posted on 03/06/2008 9:27:46 PM PST by CyberAnt (AMERICA: The greatest nation on the face of the earth.)
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To: CyberAnt

I am guessing that he is trying to be fair to the agnostic crowd so that he doesn’t belittle anyone or stroke his ego. However, in so doing that he belittles the aspect that he is devout enough and good enough to not doubt that possibly there is a place in heaven for him. Religion is based on the cold, hard facts not the comfty cushion.

I do not insult him for doubting himself, but if you know a lot more about what somebody faithful believes than “The Messiah”, than he is really screwed. Hell, he could call Jesus Christ his favorite philosopher, just like President Bush did(who probably knows a lot more about his faith than Obama) and than tone it down to something a lot more, well, “secular”. I do find it a little bit offensive for him to ready the truth that voting for Partial Birth Abortion is a sign of doubt in the ability to go to heaven.

Maybe he knows something more than we know, and that he is Pro-Partial Birth, really a Muslim now that is the point of it. That he doubts going to heaven because he is not spiritually qualified and thereby makes the line a facade.

Hey, at least he didn’t slip on his tongue while saying that line. It could’ve been a lot worse(like Al Gore’s interpretation of our history)


108 posted on 03/06/2008 9:29:35 PM PST by Merta (They Call Me The Ranting Man)
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To: van_erwin
Obama: "I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ."

Obama went on to say, "But if Mary, as a result of her unwed pregnancy, had wanted to exercise choice, I would fully have supported her." /sarcasm
109 posted on 03/06/2008 9:31:27 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Rome2000
10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Achieved years ago...the NFL, NBA, Hollywood, the Music Industry and Affirmative Action.

110 posted on 03/06/2008 10:18:08 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
It all has to go back to something...

In this situation, the only other "something" on the horizon is Hillary Clinton.

The U.S. citizens with objections to all the choices before them had better figure out how to create more political parties to represent them. Together, the Republican and Democratic machines now hold a monopoly. Neither represents the great number of Americans who see the damage of our porous borders, for one example.

111 posted on 03/06/2008 10:25:50 PM PST by IIntense
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To: van_erwin

I wonder who told him to say that?


112 posted on 03/06/2008 10:32:21 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Jorge
So if you don't believe Muslims can be converted you must not believe the Gospel message.

Are you aware of some muslims who have embraced Christianity and rejected past teachings that are in opposition to their new faith? I have not, yet you nor I would necessarily have that information.

Before I would consider voting for a new President of the U.S., I would have to be convinced that the person has absolutely no allegiance to the muslim religion.

Would you swear on a Bible that Obama has no ties to the Nation of Islam?

113 posted on 03/06/2008 10:53:26 PM PST by IIntense
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To: CyberAnt
...when they die they will end up in heaven with God.

The Catholic Church, a Christian church, teaches that some may end up in hell. Catholics do not "assume" they will be taken into heaven. They believe they have to abide by the Commandments and seek forgiveness for their sins, with the intention of not committing them again. The last I heard, Catholics ARE Christians.

You forgot about us?

114 posted on 03/06/2008 11:11:24 PM PST by IIntense
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To: Philo-Junius

Note he doesn’t say he has never been a Muslim, just that he has never been a practicing Muslim - remember he is a lawyer, and is precise with his words, implying without denying.

Never lie in court; always hire a professional to do it for you.


115 posted on 03/07/2008 12:09:21 AM PST by keilimon (Ecce homo qui est faba.)
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To: keilimon

An excellent point.

The money quote here was “I have never practiced Islam.”

The follow-up question is what he considers to be the practice of Islam.

If he’s participated in the prayers he made the confession of faith which makes him a Muslim in the eyes of other Muslims, even if, like his stepfather, he didn’t follow the halal rules.


116 posted on 03/07/2008 12:53:37 AM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: van_erwin
Obama: ""I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ."

"..and in killing as many unborn children as possible."

Derek, if you want to take up the Cross, take it up, but any Christian who votes for you is a dolt and a son of the Devil.
117 posted on 03/07/2008 12:56:33 AM PST by farmer18th (Conservatives who vote McCain are like abused dogs who keep licking their master's hand...)
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To: van_erwin

it is taught in the koran that you are to lie and deceive the infidel to further the jihad.


118 posted on 03/07/2008 1:12:19 AM PST by Canedawg (Say NO to Che HUSSEIN Obama)
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To: ZULU
The guy is NOT a Muslim - PUNTO!!! PERIOD!!!!!!

That's not what his sister says:

In an interview with the New York Times, published on April 30th, 2007, Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama’s younger half sister, told the Times, "My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim.  (Alternate link)

I assume Maya thinks of her brother, Obama, as a member of her family?

Then, there is this:

On February 27th, 2007, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth."

In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent."

The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the  Shahada:

"Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet... "

According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim.  This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim's complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam.

Obama knows this from his Quranic studies -- and he knows the New York Times will publish this fact and it will be seen throughout the Islamic world.

Regardless of Obama's religion, what message is he sending the world's 1.2 billion Muslims?

Original New York Times source -- requires LogIn.

The Obama File
119 posted on 03/07/2008 1:16:05 AM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: van_erwin

What’s sad is that people will think these Democrats are serious about believing in both the resurrection of Christ and killing babies by abortion. Which one do you think they REALLY believe in? I mean, if you’re talking about Mitt Romney, that guy was a bit of a mystery. But these Dem’s telegraph loud and clear what they really believe!


120 posted on 03/07/2008 3:08:46 AM PST by guitarist
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