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Chavez Threatening War With Columbia
Flopping Aces ^ | March 03, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 03/03/2008 6:17:30 AM PST by jdm

We knew this kind of action was inevitable. Not who the action would be directed against but the action itself has been apparent for sometime. Hugo Chavez is a power hungry nut:

President Hugo Chavez on Sunday ordered thousands of troops to the border with Colombia after Colombia’s military killed a top rebel leader.

Chavez told his defense minister: “Move 10 battalions for me to the border with Colombia, immediately.” He also ordered the Venezuelan Embassy in Colombia closed and said all embassy personnel would be withdrawn.

The announcements by Venezuela’s leftist leader pushed relations to their tensest point of his nine-year presidency, and Chavez warned that Colombia could spark a war in South America.

What precipitated the action was the killing of the second in command of the Marxist terrorist group FARC by the Columbian army. According to Time Columbia had received lots of money from the US to help stem the tide of cocaine and they used some of that to buy some state of the art communications technology which ultimately allowed them to find Raul Reyes and then kill the bastard:

His real name was Luis Edgar Devia Silva — and his satellite phone apparently gave away his location in remote southwestern Colombia, near or across the Ecuadoran border.

** snip **

Critics might still complain that Plan Colombia — which has made the South American nation the third-largest recipient of U.S. military aid outside Iraq — is ignoring its original purpose. But the Bush Administration would argue that by beheading the FARC, Plan Colombia is actually fulfilling its anti-drug mandate — because at least half of the between $500 million and $1 billion the FARC is believed to earn each year is derived from protecting Colombian cocaine trafficking. The other half is made via ransom kidnapping — the FARC currently holds more than 700 hostages in its jungle redoubts, including three Americans — which is the other reason the U.S. State Department placed the rebels on its list of international terrorist groups a decade ago (as does the European Union today).

Although todays report says it was an informant, not a satellite phone as Time printed, that allowed them to find him:

Colombia’s military tracked Reyes’ location through an informant and bombed a camp on its side of the Ecuadorean border, where Reyes was thought to be, Santos said. Ground troops moved in but came under attack from another camp across the border in Ecuador. When the military overran that camp, they found Reyes’ body, Santos said.

Either way, Chavez is a bit miffed about the killing and, being his usual crazy self, had the gall to call the Columbian government a terrorist state.

Hilarious.

“We pay tribute to a true revolutionary, who was Raul Reyes,” Chavez said, recalling that he had met rebel in Brazil in 1995 and calling him a “good revolutionary.”

Chavez said he had just spoken to Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa and that Ecuador was also sending troops to its border with Colombia.

“The Colombian government has become the Israel of Latin America,” an agitated Chavez said, mentioning another country that he has criticized for its military strikes. “We aren’t going to permit Colombia to become the Israel of these lands.”

This comes on the heels of his address to the Venezuelan people which included his demand that FARC be considered a legitimate army instead of the terrorists they are:

In a four-hour address to the Venezuelan Congress, Mr. Chávez described the FARC and another Colombian group, the Army of National Liberation (ELN), as “not terrorists” but “genuine armies.” He claimed that they possessed “a Bolivarian political project that is respected here,” a reference to his own, half-baked “socialism for the 21st century.” And he demanded that they be recognized as lawful belligerents by the United States and Latin American and European governments that now classify them as terrorist organizations. In short, Mr. Chávez was endorsing groups dedicated to violence and other criminal behavior in a neighboring Latin American democracy, and associating his agenda with theirs.

Now if he was smart he would wait this out another seven months until we see who the next President will be. If its one of the Socialist twins then he knows he can pretty much do what he wants without worrying that we will help out an ally in the region. Jimmy Carter did it to the Shah. Jimmy Carter version 2.0 will do it to Columbia.

But if he thinks Bush won’t do anything to protect an ally he is even more crazier then I would have imagined.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chavez; colombia; columbia; war
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To: wtc911
This is the AFV mix at Hugito's command:



Tanks and combat vehicles
86 AMX-30V Main battle tank- (82 AMX-30V +4 AMX-30D)
36 AMX-13C.90 Light tank
78 Scorpion 90 FV-101 Light tank
42 Dragoon 300 LFV2 Light tank


APCs
75 AMX-13 VTT-VCI- (25 VTT/VCI +10 VTT/LT +20 VTT/PM +12 VTT/PC +8 VTT/TB)
8 FV104 Samaritan
2 FV105 Sultan
4 FV106 Samson
10 Transportpanzer Fuchs
59 Dragoon AFV APC - (25 APC +21 PM +11 PC +2 R)
130 V-100/V-150 Commando- (100 LAV-100, +30 LAV-150)
100 LAV-300 APC
38 EE-11 Urutu
21 posted on 03/03/2008 6:52:49 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: John123

Are hese jackass’s in Washington gonna grow some stones and defend Colombia? How is it to our advantage to sit this one out? Or let Venezuela’s brown skin brown shirt gain more street er..jungle trail cred?


22 posted on 03/03/2008 6:53:44 AM PST by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: jdm
But if he thinks Bush won’t do anything to protect an ally he is even more crazier then I would have imagined.

Two things -- I think it is a bluff. Chavez seems to be all bark and no bite. Unless he is getting desperate because his economic plans aren't working. Then it would be wag the dog's tail.

The other thing? To equate Columbia lack of air power -- we would just give their army a bunch of surface to air missiles...

Bottom line, Chavez ain't gonna do anything stupid that will blow up in his face -- oh wait -- didn't Saddam do the same thing and then got hung for his troubles? Never mind...

23 posted on 03/03/2008 6:54:13 AM PST by John123 (Socialism is the best choice for those too stupid to be liberals...)
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To: redstateconfidential

Well, since Colombia has a bigger army... I would just give them a bunch of surface to air missiles to take care of Venezuela’s air superiority. No need for us to send in our military. Everyone wins!


24 posted on 03/03/2008 6:56:53 AM PST by John123 (Socialism is the best choice for those too stupid to be liberals...)
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To: jdm

Paging Sean Penn!!

25 posted on 03/03/2008 7:02:17 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum (Doomage on you)
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To: jdm

Wonder why no Administration statement on the situation


26 posted on 03/03/2008 7:03:05 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Army Air Corps

A Colombia-Venezuela war would be a helicopter/grunt war.


27 posted on 03/03/2008 7:04:18 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: jdm
C-o-l-o-m-b-i-a
28 posted on 03/03/2008 7:05:06 AM PST by cll (Carthage must be destroyed)
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To: jdm
"Chavez Threatening War With Columbia"

Why Spelling Matters 101:

"Colombia", with an "o", is a South American republic.

"Columbia", with a "u", is the allegorical name of the United States of America.

Either the author made a spelling error or Hugo just screwed the pooch. :-)

29 posted on 03/03/2008 7:08:26 AM PST by Polybius
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To: wtc911

Agreed. However, Colombia would still need SAMs because their AA equipment consists of AAA. The SAMs could fend-off Hugos new Russky fighters that could be used against Colombia’s close air support and air transport aircraft.


30 posted on 03/03/2008 7:10:39 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: jdm

Chavez and his goofy little soldier clowns better think twice before they start anything with Colombia. Colombian forces have been battle-hardened by several decades of their war against these terrorist groups.

Not only that, the last time I was in Cartagena, I noticed quite a few tough-looking and very serious gringos with military haircuts around the hotel me and a buddy were staying at, who kept to themselves and didn’t have much to say when I was silly enough to ask’em - “So hey, what kinda work y’all do?”

Parenthetically, the haircuts were a definite give-away. I remember when I was in the Air Force and had to visit an important tracking station in a Soviet-aligned nation (yeah, strange but true). I was told to go low-profile in civies but got no relief from the blatantly sore-thumb AFR 35-10 mandated haircut - back in the early 80’s, when nobody sported those. Also strange but true. Bureaucracies are not subject to common sense.


31 posted on 03/03/2008 7:21:23 AM PST by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: Focault's Pendulum

Hugo is quite grotesque isn’t he, he looks like some Meso-American carving of a bloated king presiding over human sacrifices, hhmmm guess they were the first Commies in the Americas after all, not Sean Penn’s dad.


32 posted on 03/03/2008 7:34:21 AM PST by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: redstateconfidential
Hugo is quite grotesque isn’t he

Penn doesn't look much better.

33 posted on 03/03/2008 7:38:57 AM PST by Focault's Pendulum (Doomage on you)
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To: SampleMan
No, that depends on Obama's credibility, and he doesn't have any. Put it out of US hands, stat.
34 posted on 03/03/2008 7:39:44 AM PST by JasonC
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To: wtc911
That is one division's hardware. We have tons simply mothballed. Besides, Obama isn't going to use any of it for anything, might as well let some of it be of use.
35 posted on 03/03/2008 7:40:40 AM PST by JasonC
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To: Army Air Corps
Bigger proliferation risk than F-16s, especially the smaller man portable variety. Also marginal against SU-30s.
36 posted on 03/03/2008 7:42:35 AM PST by JasonC
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To: o_zarkman44
Yes neutralize them, but still arm Columbia. Let Chazev spend every dime he has on hardware and still fall behind. That isn't "bartering with" anyone. What we can't do is sit around waiting for Obama to get elected and give him a green light to murder whoever he pleases, with Columbia still basically unarmed.
37 posted on 03/03/2008 7:44:14 AM PST by JasonC
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To: wtc911
By the way, here is Colombia's AFV mix:

MBT M3A1 12 (Colombia uses the Bradley in the MBT role)

RECCE
M-8 5
EE-9 130
APC 192
M-113 88
EE-11 100
RG-31 4
38 posted on 03/03/2008 7:46:21 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: JasonC

“...Ecuador and Venezuela have been supporting the communist rebels and their terrorist war against Columbia, and they were afraid that stuff taken from this success would prove it. The bluster is meant to cover that fact and put Columbia on the defensive...”

I completely agree. The documents that the Colombian military found that link Ecuador’s government and the FARC were too embarrasing. And Chavez has long been openly calling for the drug cartel to forcibly take over Colombia. Both countries have been openly harboring these terrorists/kidnappers/drug-runners for years.

The Colombian ejercito should be able to handle this, but we should provide support as is prudent and needed. It truly is a tragedy how Castroism is spreading in South America.


39 posted on 03/03/2008 7:57:16 AM PST by walford (http://the-big-pic.org)
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To: walford
Well, I'd say the tragedy is the moral cowardice not doing anything about it and letting it happen. But otherwise...
40 posted on 03/03/2008 8:00:21 AM PST by JasonC
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