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A Question for FR McCain Detractors
FR | 2-23-08 | Bob J

Posted on 02/23/2008 10:56:29 AM PST by Bob J

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To: Polybius
Does it get smokey that high in the clouds?
441 posted on 02/23/2008 3:24:16 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Vision

I don’t think anyone here has trashed McCain for his military service, although there are some who have over time.

Good men can do very bad things. Since his military years, John has IMO and the OoMOs.

Judus was a disciple of Christ. A man honored to be one of the chosen twelve. Even a guy like that could screw up. If so, why not McCain?

I cannot support him any more than I could support John Murtha, dispite their differences, and because both men did things that destroyed my respect for them.


442 posted on 02/23/2008 3:26:15 PM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: DoughtyOne

You really did nail it in post #273. I can’t imagine a more thorough or cogent explanation for conservative opposition to McCain. The list of examples could go on a lot longer but that would only be belaboring the point.


443 posted on 02/23/2008 3:27:03 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Thank you. And thanks for your support for the MIA folks and their families.
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Quite Welcome,,,

It’s personal with me,,,

That’s why I wear a black hat...


444 posted on 02/23/2008 3:27:28 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: sageb1

If I were entering the oval office, I would have a firmed up plan to address the condition of our universities.

I would demand some equitable netrality on those campuses with regard to party affiliation.

There’s no excuse for these universities having 80 plus percent of their tenured professors registered as democrats, not after those folks demanding equlity for women and minorities. Time to anti up folks. Either you believe in equality or you don’t. Let’s see them waffle on that in public.


445 posted on 02/23/2008 3:29:37 PM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Good for you.


446 posted on 02/23/2008 3:30:18 PM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: calcowgirl; JasonC
Where do you live?

From his post I have concluded somewhere in outer-space.

447 posted on 02/23/2008 3:33:22 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: DoughtyOne

Excellent, D1. Just EXCELLENT!

It may be your best yet. :-)

Thank you.


448 posted on 02/23/2008 3:34:01 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Gondring

That womans eye’s looks like she’s on drugs again.


449 posted on 02/23/2008 3:34:37 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: DoughtyOne

Bravo!!


450 posted on 02/23/2008 3:34:47 PM PST by FReepapalooza (Look away, look away, look away Dixieland)
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To: Bob J
the third group, those that viscerally dislike McCain and vow never to vote for him for any reason.

Bob, I have no proof for this, but I believe a majority of people who threaten not to vote are among the 50% of those who do not vote anyway.

We've got approx 250 days for people to sober up and put their country's interest ahead of party politics and self-importance.

451 posted on 02/23/2008 3:35:00 PM PST by NewLand (Only one poll counts...our votes!)
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To: JasonC; The Citizen Soldier
[McCain Lieberman global warming legislation] (4) Newt is looking for much the same, but not advisable, practical effect nil, pres isn't going to go along with Kyoto stuff.

You are either ignorant, naive, or a flippant liberal. Or possibly some combination of the above.

452 posted on 02/23/2008 3:38:17 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: rockrr

You may be some of both!

There is a lot of baying going on and principles are important, but they are numerous and one or two don’t trump giving up all of them to make a point. That is what the abolute types, like you, are doing - throwing the baby out with the bath water. Your position is shameful and self-serving, one that will impact the security of America and may forever change the course of the Supreme Court based on the appointments that are projected to be needed in the next 4-8 years.


453 posted on 02/23/2008 3:38:54 PM PST by Sonora
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To: Bob J

Do we forget that this is supposedly the party of individuality? With all the group-think being promoted around here I’m almost wondering if I didn’t wake up and find myself in the Democrat party.

Ultimately, everyone will vote according to their conscience. If they choose to vote for the lesser of two evils, then they will vote for McCain; if they choose otherwise, they may throw their vote away on a third-party candidate or not vote at all. Either way, there is no need to jump on the McCain bandwagon just yet, there’s 8 months for people to decide what they want to do.

Me? I probably won’t vote for McCain, and before anyone gets too hysterical on me, realize that McCain has zero chance of winning my state - regardless of what I do. I will, however, work to get good conservatives elected in the House, that seems like a much more promising mode of operation for me.


454 posted on 02/23/2008 3:39:03 PM PST by eclecticEel (oh well, Hunter 2012 anyone?)
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To: TigersEye
It’s interesting what your (my) posts generate. There are times when I think I’ve done a pretty good job expressing a view, and it goes pretty much ignored. Hey, that’s okay. Just because a topic hits me a certain way, that doesn’t mean it will others.

Then there are times like this, when one seems to connect. It’s just my passionate defense of the ideology I have come to believe in almost as firmly as I do God. I believe that conservatism is the road map God would have us follow.

Our founding fathers referenced God in their writings quite generously. It is evident they felt pretty much as I do about our principles.

I appreciate the kind comments, and look at the incept date of every person who expresses them. When old timers pipe up, I appreciate it very much. When newbies do, I get a little nervous.

Most of the support here was from old timers, and that is gratifying.

You take care.

455 posted on 02/23/2008 3:40:40 PM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: Gaffer

Even more interesting if he won. How delusional will folks become in order to justify McCain doing what McCain does and will do?


456 posted on 02/23/2008 3:41:44 PM PST by isrul
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To: calcowgirl

Thank you CalCowGirl. I do appreciate it.


457 posted on 02/23/2008 3:42:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: FReepapalooza

Thank you.


458 posted on 02/23/2008 3:42:26 PM PST by DoughtyOne (We've got Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dumb & Tweedle Dumber left. Name them in order. I dare ya.)
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To: Bob J
What I don’t understand is why some here are making such concerted efforts to dissuade others from voting for or supporting him.
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I don’t know Bob, why are others making such concerted efforts to support him, to include insults??? I post on a Conservative web site, not a GOP web site. IMO many of the changes we see today in our society come from individuals abandoning their values and core beliefs in small measured steps. I cannot understand someone like McCain defining himself as a conservative when he is clearly a moderate. Conservatives do not vote against tax cuts, support stem cell research while claiming to be pro-life. When I was drafted, I swore to defend the constitution of the United States. Writing a bill like McCain/Feingold which clearly limits free speech is not a core principle I will support. I could run on and on with other examples that clearly define McCain as a moderate (McCain/Kennedy, McCain/Leiberman) but you understand this don’t you? I believe you question why someone would dare mention McCain in such a light. Perhaps its because of the difference between the words Conservative, and Republican.
Republican is a political party, and Conservative defines a set of values and beliefs that I/we define as our core values. For too long its been assumed that being Republican means we are Conservative, or a member of the ‘vast right wing blah blah blah’ It is far too simplistic to say that those who do not support John McCain are just angry, bitter people who didn’t get their way. While some individuals here act just that way, I assume more are just tired of watching the GOP move to the left and trying to drag Conservatives with it.

I understand, especially after Tuesday’s debate, just how awful the opposition is. Looking at the number of votes cast in each primary its clear that the democratic base is on fire for Obama. The larger problem is that the republicans are not united. Some suggest that a Obama win in November will unite the republicans against a common foe. Well unity would be a welcome sight after the last 7 years of Bush hating, free spending by a republican congress. See this is about the kind of country my granddaughter will be left with. God help us.

With respect,

459 posted on 02/23/2008 3:52:55 PM PST by JohnD9207 (Lead...follow...or get the HELL out of the way!)
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To: DarthVader

Yeah, I know what the polls say, but the numbers just don’t match the actual vote totals for the primaries. Did you see how many Democrats voted as compared to how many Republicans? Then subtract all those cross over votes for McCain that are not going to be there in November.

He can’t win.


460 posted on 02/23/2008 3:55:35 PM PST by Eva (Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.)
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