Biblical hero Joseph 'was really a Muslim'-Palestinians make astonishing claim

WorldNetDaily ^ | February 14, 2008 | Aaron Klein

[SJackson]

Biblical hero Joseph 'was really a Muslim' Palestinians make astonishing claim, deny they'll help restore burned tomb

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Building at Joseph's Tomb site after Palestinian Authority took control in 2000 .

In the wake of an attempt by Palestinians to burn down Joseph's Tomb – Judaism's third holiest site – Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah faction issued a statement denying it will help restore the shrine, referring to both the shrine and the biblical patriarch as "Muslim."

"Pay no attention to the rumors that we will work with Israel to restore the burial site of the holy Muslim Joseph," said the statement, issued from Nablus, the biblical city of Shechem. "We are going to guard this holy Muslim site."

Joseph's Tomb is the believed burial place of the son of Jacob who was sold by his brothers into slavery and later became viceroy of Egypt.

[Cronos]

I just skimmmmmed through Genesis and Abraham was born in modern day Iraq but he was called Hebrew.

he was called a Habiru in Egypt, a nomad. Where was Abraham's lineage from? From what is now Iraq (a country that only existed from the 1920s), from the land of Mesopotamia. The Amorites (SEmitic peoples) had invaded Sumeria about 2000 odd BC and Abraham was one of those. The "Hebrews" as a sub-branch of the Amorites were descendents of Abraham through Isaac-Jacob, Edomites through Isaac-Esau. The Midianites were descendents through Kethurah, the Bedouins through Ishmael, Moabites and through Abraham's cousin. Even the Canaanites were semitic peoples who spoke a similar early semitic language to Hebrew.

[Cronos]

Mary was from the tribeS of Judah and Levi

Yes, Ju dah. and at the time of the Roman empire, the tribes were pretty much trancended by the idea of "Judeans" which encompassed most Israelites.

[Cronos]

They get the northern European, light-skinned, redish hair, blue-eyed images of Jesus Christ mostly from roman Catholic artists

There was no "Roman" Catholic term until the Protesters used that to distinguish themselves from the Western Christian Church in the 1500s. Pre-Protestants, there was only 1 Church.

[Cronos]

That group in the majority still to this day do not know who they are.

duuuh, read the later books of the Bible talking about how the Persian/Zoroastrian kings (Shahenshahs) led the Judeans and other related peoples go back. The northern tribes were taken by the Assyrians and migrated to lands in Iraq (standard Assyrian practise to keep people disconcerted). Many would have come back after the Assyrian Empire fell 2 centuries later and would have intermingled with the Judaeans, Benjaminites, Simeonites etc. who remained. Many others would have merged with the Iraqi and Irani peoples. Hence, the true 12 tribes, the "purest bloodlines" would be in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Eastern Turkey.

[Cronos]

Concur. David was a red-head.

Huh???? Where do you get that from? You reckon that David spoke Gaelic too and said "Och me laddie??"

That's silly. ARound the time of David (1000 odd BC), you already had Indo-Europeans in Anatolia (the Hittites had been there since 2000+ BC) and Indo-Europeans like the Proto-Celt-Germanic-Slavs were in the Western parts of Eurasia -- what is now Europe had near impenetrable forests and the main development was either in Eastern Europe or along the south-western coastlines -- the south-western coastlines (like the south of Italy, France, around Spain and into Britain) had visitations from the Phoenicians, Phoenician (LEBANESE) colonies etc. Ports like CADIZ in spain date from those times, before the Greeks even had their golden age.

[Cronos]

He had no religious ties to Joseph.

that's wrong. Mohammed took elements of the Jewish faith (there was a large community of Jews in Mecca and in Medina, why in Medina, the Jews were the ones who sheltered Mohammed when the Meccan pagan Arabs through him out ), from a Christian heresy (Arianism) and from pre-islamic arab paganism (that's the "Satanic verses" where Mo tells Muslims to pay respects to Ul-izzat, Amaat and Izzat, the three daughters of God, who were pre=Islamic goddesses who had idols kept in what is now the Ka'aba (the big black tent in Mecca).

You could say he had no "familial" ties to Joseph, but even that would be probably wrong. As I said, Joseph would, at the very least be his great, great... uncle (through Ishmael), but, more likely, in the 2600 years between Joe and Moe, and considering that there were Jews in Mecca, there MUST have been intermingling of bloodlines.

[Cronos]

who some believe was the father (Ismael, not Abraham) of the muslim religion

well, the TV mnister is wrong. Ishmael would have been one of the fore-runners of Peninsular arabs (ie BEdouins who live in what is now Saudi arabia, remember that Syrians, Egyptians etc. are NOT real arabs, no matter what they want to believe -- they want to pretend to be arabs because the koran says that Arabs are superior people because Mo was one of them, hence all Muslims try to act like arabs -- that's why the Taliban forced men to wear beards, because Mo had a beard, that's why Pakistanis and Afghanis and Iranis who are ARyanic peoples try to pretend to be arabic, ditto for Malays and Indonesians who are afro-asiatic.

If Ishmael founded Islam, why did it die out for 2600 years until Mo -- the BEdos were all pagans at Mo's time, or were Jews or Arian-Christians or Ethiopian Christian --> remember that CHRISTIAN Ethiopia (Christian from the 3rd century AD) conquered Yemen and nearly conquered Mecca 1 century before MO

[Cronos]

To the ancients, religion was more a matter of which god or gods one worshiped than the specifics of that worship. So in that sense, Abraham was certainly practicing Judaism, which is the worship of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Perfectly put. By that extension, you could say that Christians are Jews. however, islam clearly does NOT follow the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

[R_Kangel]

I heard Muhammed was a Jew.

There, that makes us even.

[Cronos]

I think Just MT follows the flawed BRitish-Hebrew idea that the English are decendents of the lost tribe. This idea came up during the British Empire in the 18th century to justify the English Empire’s “right to rule”. This is based on a lot of flawed, easily refutable ideas like: “the lost tribes escaped from Assyria” and went gallivanting around Central Asia, becoming the Aryans” — this is silly considering that ARyans had already moved into Turkey (hittites) ardoun 2000 BC (the Egyptian pharaoh fought them at Kadesh around 1800 BC), the Aryans had moved into tyhe Eastern fringes of what is now Europe (the Ionians/Achaen GReeks, the proto-celt-slav-germanics) and had moved into Iran and Western China by that time (they had been in north-western India for a millenia prior to that, probably splitting off from the Dravidians 4000/6000 BC when the Dravidians would have been Sumerians, Elamites, Harappansetc.

[Cronos]

Egyptians also shaved off all the hair from their bodies and wore wigs for hygiene...

[restornu]

Since everyone is in the fray The LDS testifies that the Book of Mormon is the other stick (Joseph) as spoken in

EZEKIEL CHAPTER 37
Israel shall inherit the land in the resurrection—The stick of Judah (Bible) and the stick of Joseph (Book of Mormon) become one in the Lord’s hand—Israel shall be gathered and cleansed—The Messiah shall reign over them—They shall receive the everlasting gospel covenant

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ezek/37

I know there are many detractors here but I still wanted to share this with those who are cordial towards the LDS.

[Cronos]

And these are the people that claim to have given the world the concept of zero and advanced math? Am I missing something here?

simple answer -- they didn't. What you call "Islamic numerals" i.e. 1,2,3 as opposed to Roman numerals: I, II, III, IV are actually Indian numerals (wikipedia it). Advanced Maths and th concept of zero came from India as well (wikipedia Aryabhatta), while the Greeks and Persians were also math-adepts and they fell to Islamic rule.

[Cronos]

Jewish people, God bless them, can laugh at themselves. QUite unlike Muzzies who would saw off the heads of anyone who laughs.

[SeeSalt]

Jews like all peoples come in a variety of shades.

That's true! There is no a Jewish race.It is just a religion identification. Jewish people comes as dark skin, dark hair, dark eyes (Mediterranean Jews, Sephardi Jews)to fair skin, blond hair, blue eyes(east European Jews or Ashkenazim).

[skr]

Some descriptions ascribed to some officials contemporary to Jesus are at http://www.thenazareneway.com/likeness_of_our_saviour.htm

Of course, it’s difficult to know how authentic the documents are. We’ll find out the truth someday!

[sheik yerbouty]

Adam’s name came from dirt. In Hebrew the word for dirt and the word for blood have similar sounds but are spelled differently..

[Manly Warrior]

Either way, they are off by about 10 generations, minor point of fact I guess....

[Jeff Head]

These people are delusional and insane. Joseph of old, Jacob’s son, was no “Holy Muslim”. He lived over 2200 years before Mohammed.

[Cvengr]

1st Samuel 16:12
1Sa 16:12
(12) And he sent, and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the LORD said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he.

The word “ruddy” references “AD-MO-NIY” meaning ‘reddish’ of the hair or the complexion.