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Why many conservatives can't vote for McCain
The Everett Herald ^ | February 10, 2008 | Mona Charen

Posted on 02/10/2008 2:42:33 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

I posted a squib on the National Review Web site about a robo call I received from John McCain. (Virginia's primary is Tuesday.) The call stressed that he would, if elected, be a down-the-line limited government conservative who would never raise taxes, would defend life, would enforce immigration laws and would win the war on terror. The candidate is trying, I said, to meet conservatives "more than halfway." The response of readers was, shall we say, emphatic.

One lady wrote that she would never vote for him as "He is the most disloyal, ill-tempered man and he brings out the worse in all of us. ..." Several readers made the point that after decades of suffering abuse at McCain's hands, conservatives are not going to fall into line for him now, no matter what blandishments he offers.

I know how they feel. The problem with McCain is not just that he strays. George Bush has strayed from conservatism, too. So has Fred Thompson. Certainly Mitt Romney has as well. But Sen. McCain has a knack for saying things in just the tones and accents that liberals prefer. In 2000, he condemned the late Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson as "agents of intolerance." In 2004, when Sen. John Kerry was getting his comeuppance from the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, vets who had known him during the war and couldn't remain silent as the Democratic nominee distorted his war record, McCain weighed in by calling the Swift Boaters "dishonorable and dishonest." When the Bush Administration was being vilified as a nest of Torquemadas for using waterboarding on three occasions, McCain came forward to condemn waterboarding as torture.

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To: gitmo

BTTT


181 posted on 02/10/2008 1:25:30 PM PST by sport
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To: piytar
OK, honest question here? Who is further to the left, McCain or Hillary?

McCain. Hillary never helped the Viet Cong, at least not directly.
182 posted on 02/10/2008 1:28:17 PM PST by farmer18th
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To: redhead

So have I!


183 posted on 02/10/2008 1:31:31 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Eva

Has anyone been sworn in yet? NO It’s not too late. Don’t quit on us.


184 posted on 02/10/2008 1:33:18 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Coldwater Creek

We have just been overrun by liberals in both parties, sort of like the Confederates in 1861!


185 posted on 02/10/2008 1:36:32 PM PST by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: supercat
Sorry, that is just morally naive. There is all the difference in the world between being subjected to such treatment with malice and no prospect of it ending, by a determined enemy, and a mere training exercise conducted by friends you know intend you no harm and will stop whenever.
186 posted on 02/10/2008 1:42:32 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Theodore R.
Ya know! last week, I was horribly depressed. But, then my SIL and I were talking, and we decided that we had done all that we could humanly possible do. Now, we will just have to wait, and see what God,s plan is for our country. He can change things in a nano second. I feel better, and hope that you will as well.
187 posted on 02/10/2008 1:42:34 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: supercat

That was mentioned earlier, and you are right. it might not be a good idea, at all. By the time November rolls around, I’m hoping the choices will be much clearer.


188 posted on 02/10/2008 2:38:51 PM PST by redhead (VICTORY FIRST, THEN PEACE)
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To: JasonC
Sorry, that is just morally naive. There is all the difference in the world between being subjected to such treatment with malice and no prospect of it ending, by a determined enemy, and a mere training exercise conducted by friends you know intend you no harm and will stop whenever.

War is not a nice business. If the U.S. had not been willing to violate the Geneva Conventions on some occasions when it proved necessary, we'd likely be speaking German.

189 posted on 02/10/2008 2:49:32 PM PST by supercat
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To: Coldwater Creek

Ditto and Amen.


190 posted on 02/10/2008 2:49:45 PM PST by Cindy
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To: redhead
That was mentioned earlier, and you are right. it might not be a good idea, at all. By the time November rolls around, I’m hoping the choices will be much clearer.

Hey, if you want to vote for Fred Thompson in November, be my guest. Just make sure you find out what the procedures are. By my understanding, in some states it's necessary to pre-register write-in candidates (among other things, to ensure that if "John Alan Smith" wins the election there aren't fifty different people named John Alan Smith all of whom claim victory) but there isn't necessarily any cost to do so.

191 posted on 02/10/2008 2:52:08 PM PST by supercat
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To: Court Watcher

I saw the interview President Bush had with Cris Wallace this Sunday. President Bush reminded us of problem of party unity that Ronald Reagan had to deal with in 1980. In that day, Reagan had to build a coalition of groups on the extreme right with the more moderate “Reagan Democrats.” His landslide election in 1980 was proof that it is possible to build such a coalition.


192 posted on 02/10/2008 3:25:12 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: supercat
Torture isn't war.

It was a mistake in Algeria and it is a mistake in this one.

The war is not going to be won in an interrogation chamber, but out in the field on the one hand, and in the American political process on the other. Since the last is by far the weakest part, if makes no sense whatever to hand AlQ a defeatist dem president because you dislike McCain's stance on torture.

Furthermore, even if you were right about its expediency, it would still be a matter of conscience not a party-line whip vote, and to demand that McCain of all people sign off on such a policy is completely inhuman. If a catholic pol feels he has to dissent on a death penalty vote, we'd make allowances. We can't be charitable about a man who was tortured for five years straight, not being able to support it as a policy?

193 posted on 02/10/2008 3:27:49 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Waterboarding is torture. We shouldn't use it.

To you waterboarding is torture and you believe we shouldn't use it. I believe we need to have an open discussion on what America defines as torture.

Pulling out finger nails, breaking bones, drilling into teeth fall in line with my definition of torture. These things inflict permanent physical damage. Waterboarding inflicts fear but no permanent physical damage.

When I was in Navy Dive School, part of our training involved having water fill your sinuses while swimming on your back with your face mask filled with water. In some people it causes great panic and a fear of drownding and they quit. I wouldn't call that torture.

To some people not getting 8 hours of sleep is torture. So lets have an open discussion on what methods we are allowed to use for interogation. I say if fear of drownding causes people to give up information I say use it.
194 posted on 02/10/2008 3:40:02 PM PST by ScubieNuc
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To: ScubieNuc; JasonC

Anyone who wants to become President should be prepared to personally drive a hot poker into the eyes of a prisoner if it would prevent a nuclear attack on one of our cities - regardless of any ramifications.

They would never be able to SAY it, but I want to have a gut feeling that they would DO it if necessary.

McCain would,
Obama would not,
Hillary would check which city it was first


195 posted on 02/10/2008 3:53:43 PM PST by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: Court Watcher
A traitor crackpot, a muslim, and a wicked witch to vote for, America is in for a whirl of hurt.
196 posted on 02/10/2008 4:16:22 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: LibertarianLiz
I'm in Federal Way --- what is your reaction to Romney getting so many votes in the caucuses yesterday?

At this point in the year's nutty proceedings, thus far -- in this whacked-out state -- nothing, but NOTHING elicits even so much as rapid blinking on my part, any longer. ;)

197 posted on 02/10/2008 4:29:17 PM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("John McCain is to conservatism what Cindy Sheehan is to the Miss Universe Pageant.")
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To: Coldwater Creek
I have been praying... started when the whole election process started about a year and a half ago.
Did you happen to catch the American priest at the Vatican on FNC this morning? He was very encouraging! (I'm not Catholic, BTW.) He was talking about how healthy it is for conservatives to be standing up for their values and core beliefs.
198 posted on 02/10/2008 5:17:43 PM PST by exhaustedmomma (Calm down: VOTE AGAINST MCCAIN!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Does anyone else see that Huckabee and Romney are only conservative when compared to McCain? Those three are actually to the left of Hubert Humphrey. Even though the party luminaries are turning up the Bunsen Burner under the rank and file I am not moving another inch to the left.
199 posted on 02/10/2008 5:48:27 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
Will somebody please explain to me why conservatives (Christians?) are so eager to get control of the Oval Office? After all, if it weren't for the USSC's scandalous, 10th A.-ignoring decisions concerning state power related cases, it's the states who have government power to address religious issues in this country, not the federal government. In fact, when Jefferson was asked to officially recognize the day of fasting and prayer when he was President, he actually "passed the buck" for such recognition to the states, reflecting on the 10th A. protected powers of the states to address religious issues as his reason for doing so. See for yourselves.
"I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no power to prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Miller, 1808. http://tinyurl.com/nkdu7
Conservatives are evidently as detached from the intentions of the Founders concerning state government religious powers as liberals are. After all, the honest interpretations of the Founder's intentions reflected by the Constitution, as evidenced by Jefferson's writings, show that the Constitution reflects conservative values, not liberal values, or the lack thereof.

So sadly, given that conservatives are barking up the wrong tree (federal / state) in the name of reclaiming their freedoms, particularly their religious freedoms, they can be accused of not knowing the Constitution as much as Matthew 22:29 indicates that the Sadducees wasted their time arguing ideas based on their faulty knowledge of the Scriptures.

200 posted on 02/10/2008 5:54:06 PM PST by Amendment10
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