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Proof Hucakbee is lying about the moving cross
myself | Dec 20, 2007 | Travis McGee

Posted on 12/20/2007 8:59:16 AM PST by Travis McGee

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To: donnab
"....why the denial?"

'cause he's a POLITICIAN - that's what they do - each one has his schtick, Fred, Rudy, Mitt, Obama, Hitlery - they all have different stiff that they do, the common denominator is that they are POLITICIANS - they fib, parse words, have difficulty remembering their past, deny, lie, fabricate.
'Ya think RR never lied, ever?

61 posted on 12/20/2007 9:20:28 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Travis McGee

This southern baptist “ain’t votin’” for Miguel Huckabee, simply because he won’t close the porous southern border.


62 posted on 12/20/2007 9:21:19 AM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: sageb1
I think you get it. And if it was "just a shelf" that "just happened to be in the background," then why is it empty except for three perfectly placed Christmas ornaments?

If nobody noticed the shelf beforehand, then why is it empty?

Where are the books, family photos and nick-nacks?

If it was "just a shelf that nobody noticed," then it would be full of these things. Not empty except for three Christmas balls.

63 posted on 12/20/2007 9:21:34 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Scythian

WHAT?!? Oh, wait. . . does “UN” stand for the Useless Nations? They’re not the boss of us and, God willing, never will be.


64 posted on 12/20/2007 9:21:45 AM PST by hsalaw
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To: svcw

You’re right. He’s a shameless Christian.


65 posted on 12/20/2007 9:21:45 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Travis McGee

I don;t have a problem with a Christian cross - sorry.

Look at a flag of the Massachusetts Bay Colony.


66 posted on 12/20/2007 9:22:29 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: svcw

“...like him or not he is not ashamed.

Except he obviously is. There is no shame in putting a cross into an ad about Christmas. It’s a nice touch and completely appropriate. After all, it was called “Christ’s mass” for a reason.

The problem arose when, as soon as the MSM put on a little heat, Huckabee went into instant denial mode and said it was an accident, creating a controversy where none needed to be.

Why deny it? Why not just say, “Yes, it’s cross. So what?” That would have been the end of it, because what more would there have been to say?

When the heat is on, instead of immediately telling the whole truth and defusing the situation, Huckabee’s instinct is to obfuscate. How Clintonesque. Huckabee is the least media savvy campaigner of all the candidates of either party, and it will be his undoing.


67 posted on 12/20/2007 9:22:54 AM PST by LadyNavyVet (An independent Freeper, not paid by any political campaign.)
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To: Cedric

Libs love him {Huckabee} because they’ll be able to beat him like a rented mule in the general.

Also liberals love Huckabee because Huckabee as liberal as they are on immigration, taxes and big government.
Huckabee is a pro-illegal, pro-amnesty open borders fanatic, who wants to raise taxes, and wants to grow the nanny state.


68 posted on 12/20/2007 9:22:55 AM PST by rurgan (socialism doesn't work. Government is the problem not the solution to our problems.)
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To: Travis McGee

He’s a nanny-stater. He’s a spender. He’s making a tribal religous appeal rather than a rational appeal. This denial concerning the commercial proves that he’s a liar.


69 posted on 12/20/2007 9:23:06 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Cedric

Libs love him {Huckabee} because they’ll be able to beat him like a rented mule in the general.

Also liberals love Huckabee because Huckabee is as liberal as they are on immigration, taxes and big government.
Huckabee is a pro-illegal, pro-amnesty open borders fanatic, who wants to raise taxes, and wants to grow the nanny state.


70 posted on 12/20/2007 9:23:25 AM PST by rurgan (socialism doesn't work. Government is the problem not the solution to our problems.)
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To: Psalm 73
My father was a councilman for over 30 years. He told me to never, ever call him a politician. He was the most honest man I've ever known. Not everyone running for office lies, believe it or not.
71 posted on 12/20/2007 9:23:46 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Jedidah
Who cares if it’s a cross or if it’s a bookshelf???? It’s a CHRISTMAS video. There could be a crucifix hanging on the wall in the background, and it would be completely in context.

You and I agree 100%. But that is not the point!

The point is that he carefully crafted an ad around the moving cross, and then looks us in the eye, and LIES ABOUT IT.

If a former preacher will lie about the cross, what won't he lie about?

72 posted on 12/20/2007 9:24:00 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
"...a former preacher would lie..."

You are holding preachers to a much too high standard.
I used to think the same thing about cops when I was a kid, as I got older I learned they were just men like the rest of us (maybe a bit braver, but no less human).

73 posted on 12/20/2007 9:24:47 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Travis McGee

After I heard Huckster’s denial, I noticed the camera panning the shot and I thought to myself, “what other purpose is there to pan the shot the way he did?” Then I noticed that the set is essentially dark and he is lit up and the bookshelf is lit up. For what purpose, other than to create the cross? There certainly isn’t a reason to light up a bookshelf, as he disingenuously claims. Creating the image of a cross at Christmas time certainly isn’t a crime, but lying about it and proving that it was indeed a manipulative act is.


74 posted on 12/20/2007 9:25:10 AM PST by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: IrishMike

But he’s lying about it. Insulting the intelligence of everyone who hears his denials. Exploiting the unintelligence of some.


75 posted on 12/20/2007 9:25:11 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Travis McGee

It’s NOT A CROSS. Does that matter? Its a book shelf in the background, that while the close up was taken, the shelves took on the appearance of a cross. Perhaps, after the commercial was reviewed/edited they noticed this and said...”hey, cool, great, neat, this will appeal to the Christians.”

Contrived or not, its a hard sell to say he is lying about a cross, when its NOT A CROSS.


76 posted on 12/20/2007 9:25:16 AM PST by righting-wrongs
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To: longtermmemmory

Politics, a nasty sport.
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Hucakbee’s spot, ‘howdy at Christmas’,
still not as bad as the ‘media’ CNN with a swastika (if I remember correctly) flashing out against the image of Dick Cheney.


77 posted on 12/20/2007 9:25:30 AM PST by IrishMike (Liberalism is Jihad from within)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
WHO CARES if there was a cross? Geez. Only idiots and liberals and muslims whine about that.

I AGREE. Who cares if there was a cross? I don't.

But I care a lot about the possibility of electing a former preacher who is such an inveterate liar, that he will even lie about using the cross.

Doesn't it bother you that he is lying about the very cross of Jesus?

If a former preacher will lie about the cross, what won't he lie about?

78 posted on 12/20/2007 9:26:17 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
In the words of George Burns:

“Sincerity is everything. If you can fake that, you’ve got it made.”


Thanks.
I've always wondered who invented/popularized that great saying.
79 posted on 12/20/2007 9:26:52 AM PST by VOA
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To: cripplecreek
I don’t have a big problem with it. My problem is with the denials.

That is it, in a nutshell.

The contrived use of an "accidental" element as a cross was wrong, but people do wrong stuff all the time. It is not a disqualification. But the denials, particular the insulting and condescending nature of the denials, raises this to a Dean Scream level, as far as I am concerned.

Any trust that I had or may have had with Huckabee is shattered, and I can simply not support him, no matter what. If he is the candidate in the general, I will pull the (D) lever without hesitation, unless the (D) is next to the name "Clinton". If Hillary is the nominee, I will write-in.

80 posted on 12/20/2007 9:28:08 AM PST by gridlock ("I'd gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- J. Wellington Wimpy)
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