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Posted on 12/19/2007 7:03:18 PM PST by Richard Poe
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Jesus Schwartz? Goldstein? Are there any clues as to the last name?
Murdoch. Jesus Murdoch.
It’s kind of interesting, but of absolutely NO theological significance whatsoever.
This strikes me as being more of the goofy, unsubstantiated “Holy Blood, Holy Grail” nonsense. No thanks, I left the keys to my UFO on Zeta Reticuli, pecifically so I could get away from intergalactic nonsense.
Jesus blood line: God-Jesus. (please not the period at the end of the blood line.
The nearest relative to Jesus?? Many of us here are adopted sons! (Rom 8:15)
WE ARE FAMILY! :)
This is true. However unless I missed it the article isn't talking about Jesus's children, it is talking about siblings he would be related to either through his mother (half-brothers and sisters) or cousins also through his mother's bloodline and heritage.
The God-Jesus bloodline of course ends at Jesus as he had no children, however the Joseph-Mary bloodline probably continued on.
As stated before though by Arthur McGowan, "It’s kind of interesting, but of absolutely NO theological significance whatsoever."
It does point out the holes in the theories that some have raised about Mary, the Theotokos, having other children, which even the Early Church recognized as false.
No doubt it may be interesting to investigate, but other posters are correct in saying it doesn’t have any real theological significance. Any brothers and sisters would have been HALF brothers because they were fathered by Joseph.
If you want to see the living brothers and sisters of Christ, look at the places his followers gather. There will be many there and you can actually talk to them...
We are all related to Jesus, since God is our Father.
Which is why I'm a strong advocate of cloning Jesus.
From the Wiki article on the Aramaic Primacy that was linked:
“George Lamsa’s translation of the Peshitta New Testament from Syriac into English brought the Aramaic Primacy issue to the West. However, his translation is poorly regarded by most academics in the field.[1] With the rise of the Internet, Aramaic primacists began to pool arguments in favor of their case. Prominent advocates include Paul Younan, Andrew Gabriel Roth, Raphael Lataster, James Trimm, and Steven Caruso; none of whom are associated with mainstream academia in this field, and work mainly through the medium of the Internet.”
Erg. Poorly regarded by most academics in the field. None of whom are associated with mainstream academia. Work mainly through the INTERNET. I think you should be hearing klaxons going off.
The first mistake is the use of Wikipedia. The second is using a Wiki that isn’t necessarily all that supportive of the theory.
So what we have here is that most of academia in the field believes that the NT was written in Greek.
Again, from your source:
“Mainstream and modern scholars have generally had a strong agreement that the New Testament was written in Greek. They acknowledge that many individual sayings of Jesus as found in the Gospels are translations from oral Aramaic, but hold that the Gospels’ text in its current form was composed in Greek, and so were the other New Testament writings. Scholars of all stripes have had to acknowledge the presence in the Gospel of Mark of scattered, but only occasional, Aramaic expressions, transliterated and then translated.”
If this is the case, then there is a problem with the Marian Doctrines. If the Gospels were originally written in Greek, where ‘brothers’ and ‘sisters’ of Jesus are mentioned throughout the Gospels, as you have quoted, the terms would mean just that.
There is little or no indication that those mentioned had a close personal relationship that could be used as a basis to call Jesus ‘brother’ or ‘sister’, while not using the same terms for the Apostles, esp. John, or the women that followed Jesus.
We have no indication of an Aramaic primacy. I can see where one would come in real handy for the Roman Catholic Church...
GRPL Sola Scriptura vs. Ecclesia Ping!
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This is VERY different than what was claimed by conspiracy theorists and The di Vinci Code, both of which claimed that Jesus fathered children through Mary Magdalene. Problem is, there is no proof from Roman historians of that ever happening, nor does the Bible and several rejected books that didn't make it into the final Bible we know today.
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