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Please let me know if you want ON or OFF of my Traditional Roman Catholic ping list.

1 posted on 12/19/2007 7:03:19 PM PST by Richard Poe
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Ping!


2 posted on 12/19/2007 7:03:46 PM PST by Richard Poe
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Jesus Schwartz? Goldstein? Are there any clues as to the last name?


3 posted on 12/19/2007 7:13:43 PM PST by Rudder
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It’s kind of interesting, but of absolutely NO theological significance whatsoever.


5 posted on 12/19/2007 7:28:06 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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Bump Richard,
Good one. I seem to recall in the second or third century the Roman church issued an edict calling for the elimination of the Diaspora and tradition held this was James’ family who left Jerusalem prior to the Roman seige.
6 posted on 12/19/2007 7:34:53 PM PST by mnehring (Ron Paul: 'When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross'..)
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This strikes me as being more of the goofy, unsubstantiated “Holy Blood, Holy Grail” nonsense. No thanks, I left the keys to my UFO on Zeta Reticuli, pecifically so I could get away from intergalactic nonsense.


7 posted on 12/19/2007 7:45:08 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Hi, My name is Mitt, and I invented the fifty dollar abortion!")
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The nearest relative to Jesus?? Many of us here are adopted sons! (Rom 8:15)

WE ARE FAMILY! :)


9 posted on 12/19/2007 7:49:56 PM PST by the_Watchman
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There was a Jesus picked up by immigration at the meat packing plant here recently.

Just sayin'...
10 posted on 12/19/2007 7:52:16 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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No doubt it may be interesting to investigate, but other posters are correct in saying it doesn’t have any real theological significance. Any brothers and sisters would have been HALF brothers because they were fathered by Joseph.

If you want to see the living brothers and sisters of Christ, look at the places his followers gather. There will be many there and you can actually talk to them...


13 posted on 12/19/2007 8:24:23 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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We are all related to Jesus, since God is our Father.


14 posted on 12/19/2007 8:26:41 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.sS)
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From the Wiki article on the Aramaic Primacy that was linked:

“George Lamsa’s translation of the Peshitta New Testament from Syriac into English brought the Aramaic Primacy issue to the West. However, his translation is poorly regarded by most academics in the field.[1] With the rise of the Internet, Aramaic primacists began to pool arguments in favor of their case. Prominent advocates include Paul Younan, Andrew Gabriel Roth, Raphael Lataster, James Trimm, and Steven Caruso; none of whom are associated with mainstream academia in this field, and work mainly through the medium of the Internet.”

Erg. Poorly regarded by most academics in the field. None of whom are associated with mainstream academia. Work mainly through the INTERNET. I think you should be hearing klaxons going off.

The first mistake is the use of Wikipedia. The second is using a Wiki that isn’t necessarily all that supportive of the theory.

So what we have here is that most of academia in the field believes that the NT was written in Greek.

Again, from your source:

“Mainstream and modern scholars have generally had a strong agreement that the New Testament was written in Greek. They acknowledge that many individual sayings of Jesus as found in the Gospels are translations from oral Aramaic, but hold that the Gospels’ text in its current form was composed in Greek, and so were the other New Testament writings. Scholars of all stripes have had to acknowledge the presence in the Gospel of Mark of scattered, but only occasional, Aramaic expressions, transliterated and then translated.”

If this is the case, then there is a problem with the Marian Doctrines. If the Gospels were originally written in Greek, where ‘brothers’ and ‘sisters’ of Jesus are mentioned throughout the Gospels, as you have quoted, the terms would mean just that.

There is little or no indication that those mentioned had a close personal relationship that could be used as a basis to call Jesus ‘brother’ or ‘sister’, while not using the same terms for the Apostles, esp. John, or the women that followed Jesus.

We have no indication of an Aramaic primacy. I can see where one would come in real handy for the Roman Catholic Church...


16 posted on 12/19/2007 8:34:38 PM PST by Ottofire (For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God)
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GRPL Sola Scriptura vs. Ecclesia Ping!

Anyone else have comments?


17 posted on 12/19/2007 8:36:12 PM PST by Ottofire (For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God)
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What's funny is those who claim a "brotherhood" to the Christ while simultaneously rejecting any "blood" descendants from the Joseph/Mary extended families. (Mary, in particular, since she arguably contributed biological portions of her family line DNA to the Christ)
20 posted on 12/19/2007 8:45:26 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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Early Christians plainly viewed Jesus as an heir of David, a legitimate claimant to the throne of Israel.

Which I think Jesus vied for, but rather having died instead became the Messiah in the hearts of those who believed it.

And so Christ became the figure who liberated whole science form the dark ages, true reverence from today, and for which the New World could never have been known.

21 posted on 12/19/2007 8:47:49 PM PST by onedoug
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Bump/ping for later read!


25 posted on 12/19/2007 9:14:03 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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It may seem odd that two sisters would share the same name, but these two Marys were probably cousins, not sisters.

You would be surprised how common it is today to find two sisters both named Mary that also have a brother named Jesus.

30 posted on 12/19/2007 9:49:49 PM PST by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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Interesting stuff. BUMP!


31 posted on 12/19/2007 9:52:01 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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HOGWASH!


36 posted on 12/19/2007 10:20:42 PM PST by Doctor Don
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I’m wonde3ring why you left out Mary’s uncle, Joseph of Arimathea?... Good read, though.


37 posted on 12/19/2007 10:22:17 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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Bump for later...


45 posted on 12/20/2007 3:28:05 AM PST by JDoutrider
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I do not believe that someone could actually trace their family bloodline back 2,000 years. But the fact is, even if they did, being distantly related to someone related to Mary or Joseph might be an interesting topic of conversation, but it wouldn’t mean anything else.


55 posted on 12/20/2007 6:01:25 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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