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Generally, those who don't have anything to hide, are willing to consent to a search even though they don't like it. I would be affraid that I would arouse suspicion if I refused to give consent to a search although I'd be well within my rights.
1 posted on 11/29/2007 6:38:30 AM PST by Sopater
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To: Sopater

Any druggies or Jihadis that read this board will be grateful for the education. Anyway, in my experience, people are aware of their rights, they just think that if they act like they have nothing to hide, the cops won’t actually search.


2 posted on 11/29/2007 6:41:45 AM PST by NavVet (O)
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I like to ask myself, “What’s in it for me?”. I cannot imagine anything good coming from a police search of my car. I’m confident that my behavior and my possessions are all completely legal — still, how can I benefit from a police search? The answer is clear: I can’t. Therefore: No warrant, no search.


3 posted on 11/29/2007 6:43:33 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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I don’t have anything to hide, and I don’t want an officer going through my car.

If he asks, I’ll say no. Its called respect. My taxes pay his salary.


4 posted on 11/29/2007 6:43:40 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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I would never give consent to search anything or any of my possesions. And I would never voluntarily speak to the police or prosecuting attorneys, even if I was a witness to a crime, without an attorney present. Ya never know when you are going to be a victim of an overzealous cop or prosecutor.


5 posted on 11/29/2007 6:43:40 AM PST by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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I disagree.
Face it, people are just not libertarian minded anymore.
Most people know that they should be able to deny consent to search, theoretically, but they know it "just doesn't work that way".

I have always said that I would not consent to a search purely on principle during a traffic stop. However, I the issue has never come up.
I had a friend who was in law school, worked for the county courts, and refused a search by a highway patrol officer. He said that once he refused consent, the officer performed the search anyway, because the refusal was a part of the grounds for "probable cause".
That's what I mean when I say it doesn't work in real life the way it should.
Any officer can claim probable cause and based on that not need consent.
7 posted on 11/29/2007 6:45:52 AM PST by z3n
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Generally, those who don't have anything to hide, are willing to consent to a search

When you consent to the search, you aren't limiting the extent of the search. Perhaps some day you will have the opportunity to try to put the back seat of your car back in, and you will change your mind.

8 posted on 11/29/2007 6:46:15 AM PST by PAR35
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And don’t give your wallet to a mugger. He doesn’t have a right to it. Stand up for your rights!!


9 posted on 11/29/2007 6:47:13 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention, these days, if you refuse consent to the wrong cop, you could get tasered.


11 posted on 11/29/2007 6:47:46 AM PST by z3n
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Please don’t take away the stupid criminals. You could underpopulate the jails. No one in their right mind would want to try to convince an officer that he had nothing to hide. Thats like keeping your driver’s license in your Bible and leaving it on the dashboard so the officer will know that you are a Christian speeder. Cops aren’t going to ask if they don’t suspect something. If they get permission, then it isn’t a search and evidence won’t be suppressed for lack of probable cause. The argument becomes was the consent voluntary? That is easier for a prosecutor to argue, particularly because “people who don’t have anything to hide always comply”.


17 posted on 11/29/2007 6:52:35 AM PST by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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Generally, those who don't have anything to hide, are willing to consent to a search even though they don't like it. I would be affraid that I would arouse suspicion if I refused to give consent to a search although I'd be well within my rights.

The vast majority of the police are good guys and you would have nothing to fear. A small percentage are bad guys. I would not give them permission to search. More than one bag of grass, or controlled substance has made its way into the car via a plant by the cops.

My apologies to all the straight cops but it only takes one to tarnish the rest.

19 posted on 11/29/2007 6:53:43 AM PST by cpdiii
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I wonder how often it is that a cop stops someone for a broken tail light,asks the stopee for consent to search,receives consent and finds something illegal...drugs...guns...a dead body,etc.

On those cable cop shows where the cop asks for consent to search I always assumed that the cop already had probable cause to search but asked in order to avoid the bother of contacting a judge,etc.

20 posted on 11/29/2007 6:55:00 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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A corollary to this is that after you refuse to consent to a search, they might try the old "well then we'll have to wait here for an hour or so while we get the canine unit" (or some other more-official sounding "authority") routine.

At that point it's gut check time: call their bluff and you lose an hour either way -- either they do indeed call the canine unit (rare) or they do the "creeping delay" routine a la the airlines: he'll call for the unit, two minutes later oops that officer isn't answering his radio, ten minutes later Dispatch gets back to him with some random suggestion (call somebody else, he's busy and will call you in ten minutes, he's en route and will be there in ten minutes, etc.), ten minutes later that one doesn't work out in some way and new possibilities are offered, continue until somebody blinks.

21 posted on 11/29/2007 6:57:59 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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Uh, you don’t live in Texas? Here’s the deal; you have an even chance of the cop planting something in the vehicle because they are payed incentives to make drug busts. I’ve practiced Criminal Law and my advice to clients, friends and family is simple. If you’re pulled over and the cop asks to search the vehicle you ask for the warrant; he doesn’t have one and will then ask if you are refusing permission to search the vehicle at which point you say yes unless you have a warrant. Then the cop will threaten to call the K-9 unit to have your car searched and he’ll tell you that it will take an hour to get there (as you stand in the blazing sun). You respond, bring it on, make it so and be sure you call in a Supervisor to oversee the operation. 9 times out of 10 they’ll back down, particularly if they were carrying an illegal substance to plant in your car in the first place because the dog will key off on that.

If they bring in the dog; you’ve still got a 50/50 chance of going to jail because they’ve trained the dogs to key off on hand signals.

Good Luck out there!


31 posted on 11/29/2007 7:04:28 AM PST by glide625
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·If a police officer asks your permission to search, you are under no obligation to consent.

Sure if you have all day to argue your rights. If a police officer wants to search your car, either he will or the both of you will spend a considerable amount of time proving a point.......remember he is getting paid for his time. Reasonable cause can simply be your word against his suspicion. If you feel your being truly mistreated, call a cop from a different agency preferably one that is higher ranking (local< sheriff< state police)on your cell and get a second opinion.

43 posted on 11/29/2007 7:12:39 AM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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Does this also work for airport security ‘random’ searches?

Those security goons are out of control.


55 posted on 11/29/2007 7:30:02 AM PST by clippedwing (When the bomb drops, the BS stops.)
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Having been stopped for speeding in Virginia the deputy asked to search my vehicle. I declined, and he threatened that he could get a warrant. I told him to do exactly that and when he was done I would own the double-wide trailer that he lived in for wrongful prosecution. He backed off pretty quick gave my my ticket and I left. I had nothing to hide, but I reserve the right to due process, period.


62 posted on 11/29/2007 7:39:21 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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I would be affraid that I would arouse suspicion if I refused to give consent to a search although I’d be well within my rights.

The men in black are counting on a subject type of populace . Stay affraid ;) and they win . Embrace your fear .


70 posted on 11/29/2007 7:51:17 AM PST by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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After taking a consitutional law course in college while in my early 20’s, I already knew this back then. As cops back then would routinely pull over anyone under 30 for literally no reason, I enjoyed the cat and mouse game with the cop knowing full well what my rights were and knowing full well he assumed I didn’t. Simply because it was my right, I would ask what his probable cause was for wanting to search my car or pickup. I remember a couple of times where the cop tried to change the subject or divert away from my question. I always refused a search and cited the 4th amendment. Most of the time the the cop would just waffle away mumbling something about needing to be more careful or give me the ticket I deserved.

Too often cops think they’re the expert on law and you’re not. I got into an argument with the president of the PTC, a cop, over what the school needed to do regarding federal law governing children with disabilities in school and my ADD daughter. His response was something like “well, I know something about the law” which was probably the most ignorant response he could have given.


71 posted on 11/29/2007 7:51:43 AM PST by DaGman
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Ping to self.


73 posted on 11/29/2007 7:53:56 AM PST by scan59 (Let consumers dictate market policies. Government just gets in the way.)
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The answer is simple, people are not aware of their rights.

Not necessarily. It could just be that they have nothing to hide, so they voluntarily give up their right to refuse the search.

74 posted on 11/29/2007 7:54:59 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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