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Bin Laden Admits Defeat in Iraq
Strategy Page ^ | October 27, 2007

Posted on 10/27/2007 12:51:54 PM PDT by Chi-townChief

On October 22nd, Osama bin Laden admitted that al Qaeda had lost its war in Iraq. In an audiotape speech titled "Message to the people of Iraq," bin Laden complains of disunity and poor use of resources. He admits that al Qaeda made mistakes, and that all Sunni Arabs must unite to defeat the foreigners and Shia Moslems. What bin Laden is most upset about is the large number of Sunni Arab terrorists who have switched sides in Iraq. This has actually been going on for a while. Tribal leaders and warlords in the west (Anbar province) have been turning on terrorist groups, especially al Qaeda, for several years. While bin Laden appeals for unity, he shows only a superficial appreciation of what is actually going on in Iraq.

Bin Laden doesn't discuss how the Americans defeated him. It was done with data. Years of collecting data on the bad guys paid off. Month by month, the picture of the enemy became clearer. This was literally the case, with some of the intelligence software that created visual representations of what was known of the enemy, and how reliable it was. The picture was clear enough to maneuver key enemy factions into positions that make them easier to run down.

Saddam's henchmen, the main enemy, were no dummies. They were smart enough, and resourceful enough, to build a police state apparatus that kept Saddam in power for over three decades. However, for the last three years, that talent has been applied to keeping the henchmen alive and out of jail. But three years of fighting has reduced the original 100,000 or so core Saddam thugs, to a few thousand diehards. Three years ago, there were hundreds of thousands of allies and supporters from the Sunni minority (then, about five million people, now, less than half that), who wanted to be back in charge. Now the remaining Sunni Arabs just want to be left in peace. Thus the Sunni nationalists of in the Baghdad suburbs are shooting at, and turning in, their old allies from Saddams Baath party and secret police. This isn't easy for some of these guys, but it's seen as a matter of survival. While the fighting in and around Baghdad is officially about rooting out al Qaeda, and hard core terrorists, it's also about taking down the Baath party bankers and organizers who have been sustaining the bombers with cash, information and encouragement.

Bin Laden can't openly talk about any of this, because that would be admitting he had made a deal with the devil back in 2004, when al Qaeda and the Iraqi Sunni Arab terrorists united. The Baath party has always been secular. Not exactly anti-religion, but not something al Qaeda could openly embrace. Many of the Iraqi Sunni Arab terrorists are religious, but not religious enough for the al Qaeda hard core. And it's the hard liners that usually set the agenda. That's a fatal flaw with groups that depend on terrorism to keep the fight going. Cracking down on the hard core requires more clout and muscle than al Qaeda possesses these days. And that's another unspoken reason by bin Laden is singing the blues.

Bin Laden's latest audio recording brought forth a furious reaction from many of his followers. The main complaint was that only excerpts of the message were being reported on by the Arab media, and that if the entire message were put out there, the excerpts would not appear so damaging. The excerpts concentrated on bin Laden admitting mistakes, criticizing al Qaeda operations in Iraq and urging Islamic radicals to get their act together.

Al Qaeda is under a lot of pressure of late. In addition to defeat in Iraq, the organization is being battered in North Africa, South East Asia, Somalia, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Bin Laden has not got any good news to talk about, and that's what's really got his followers angry.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alqaedainiraq; binladen; binnie; defeat; enemy; gwot; iraq; terrorists; totalsurrender; victory; waronterror
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thank you Ronnie. I won’t forget. Nice to see you on the forum this afternoon.

D1


41 posted on 10/27/2007 4:02:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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To: Dick Vomer

He’s dead Jim.


42 posted on 10/27/2007 4:08:05 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: stevie_d_64

bttt


43 posted on 10/27/2007 4:09:21 PM PDT by GOPJ (When it makes you mad -- "ping & grrrr" -- Freeper:pandoraou812)
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To: Chi-townChief

bump for later....


44 posted on 10/27/2007 4:20:07 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: arthurus

I will vote for Duncan Hunter, and I wont have to pinch my nose... he will be a true American President...


45 posted on 10/27/2007 4:21:01 PM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: granite

I get a kick out of lardo Murtha’s “concern” as well:

“I worry about a slow withdrawal which makes it look like there’s a victory when I think it should be a redeployment as quickly as possible and let the Iraqis handle the whole thing.”


46 posted on 10/27/2007 4:45:39 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: modican

Could be - that’s why I put “Osama” in quotes; he could very well be dead, for all we know.


47 posted on 10/27/2007 4:47:43 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: JoanneSD

Good choice!!


48 posted on 10/27/2007 4:49:29 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: granite

This quote can be found in several articles via a search on news.google.com, such as:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ODYyODlkNTc5M2M4MTI2MGY1YzJiMGM2NThiYTBjZGU=

Can anyone post a link to the video containing this quote?


49 posted on 10/27/2007 5:08:54 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: arthurus
I will vote for Romney, if I have to, and with my nose tightly pinched

Outside of Hunter and possibly Tancredo I'd have to hold my nose for every last one of them.

50 posted on 10/27/2007 5:45:36 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo (My other Telecaster is a Thinline)
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To: stevie_d_64

Dingy Harry knows full well what is going on in Iraq, as well as the Greater successes W is having with his staunch WOT...the dims know we are winning in many areas they loath to admit!


51 posted on 10/27/2007 6:08:44 PM PDT by Turborules
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To: Lazarus Longer

I pray you are correct...we all need to support Republican Presidential Candidate...even to crawl over broken glass<;o))


52 posted on 10/27/2007 6:11:55 PM PDT by Turborules
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To: Chi-townChief

If Osama Bin Laden can admit defeat, can the Democrats admit victory?


53 posted on 10/27/2007 6:13:43 PM PDT by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!! The only one who can beat Hillary!!!!)
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To: Chi-townChief
Bin Laden Admits Defeat in Iraq>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

False admission, he just wants the heat off, and the US to get called home from Iraq by our Democrat traitors so he can rebuild his salvageable effort in Iraq.

We must continue until Al Qaeda is destroyed utterly and completely, with no hope of return to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or the Phillipines.

"No Mas!" should not be allowed to work for Bin Laden.

54 posted on 10/27/2007 6:18:08 PM PDT by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: DoughtyOne

” What a revolting development for Nancy and Harry. Laden may be out of his cave soon as the fleeing rats look for another income source. Too bad we can’t send Nancy and Harry to take over his old digs for the rest of their lives.

DU and KOSS must be really down in the dumps these days.”

Yep...and just wait til our troops finally get Bin Laden- hopefully before Nov 2008...There will be much weeping and wailing on the Left side...


55 posted on 10/27/2007 6:20:03 PM PDT by billmor
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To: billmor

I agree on the weeping and wailing part. If we catch Osama before November 2008, you know exactly what Nancy, Harry, Hillary, the media and the rest of the leftists and marxists will run with.

“They knew where he was all along and this is just the dirtiest of political ploys.” Our side better be ready. If they aren’t, we can just assume they’re intent on throwing the election.


56 posted on 10/27/2007 6:37:20 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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To: DoughtyOne

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GARRY OWEN, Sir.

Seems a bit like Old Times..?

AR

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57 posted on 10/27/2007 6:52:46 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

It sure does.


58 posted on 10/27/2007 6:56:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (We yen to be numba one. We find Crintons to be vewy good people. Worth every penny.)
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To: Chi-townChief

Bin Laden Admits Defeat in Iraq

So does Harry Reid....but for the other side.

The Dems are deeply saddened...AQ was defeated before we were. The surge worked.

59 posted on 10/27/2007 8:34:51 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Star Wars teaches us a foreboding lesson--evil emperors start out as Senators)
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To: citizencon
“Reid is so grief-stricken he is on “suicide” watch...”

He could join AQ...I hear they're trying to recruit suicide bombers now that they're in a dire situation.
60 posted on 10/27/2007 8:36:59 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Star Wars teaches us a foreboding lesson--evil emperors start out as Senators)
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