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Sovereign Immunity for the tribes is total BS. They are a bunch of glorified welfare clients. Big business bought themselves a piece to run casinos and screw the public over and above the normal house percentage.
1 posted on 10/25/2007 6:20:54 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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I always wonder when it says ‘malfunction voids all pays’.

How would a player know if it’s really a malfunction or just the Casino not paying? Many jackpots are probably not paid using this excuse.


2 posted on 10/25/2007 6:23:56 AM PDT by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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I’ve read that under Federal law/Federal court rulings any dispute you have with an Indian casino is settled under tribal law,not under Federal law or under the laws of the state in which this casino is located.
3 posted on 10/25/2007 6:25:37 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Wanna see how bad it can get? Elect Hillary and find out.)
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If the casino does not end up making a better offer to this person they risk alienating a number of potential gamblers. From a PR campaign perspective, it would be bad business to not settle this more favorably.


8 posted on 10/25/2007 6:29:49 AM PDT by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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Indian givers?.............


9 posted on 10/25/2007 6:30:08 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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The idiots in Seattle turned down allowing slot machines in taverns. They said they didn’t want children exposed to gambling.

OK, absurd as that is with a state that has a lottery, here’s what happened.

Those slot machines would only have gone into the type of taverns that already had pull tabs, a form of gambling, not your high-class, family-type restaurants. The antis also didn’t want gambling in their neighborhood.

But here’s the real catcher: the Indians can build casinos only on ‘reservation’ land. So what they do is buy up a few buildings on a block and donate it to the ‘reservation.’ Voila, instant (FULL) gambling where they want it.

I don’t gamble and really don’t care for it. But allowing slots in taverns where they are already allowed to gamble would have put the first chink in the armor of an absurd, tax-free enterprise on lands where the people COULD IMPLEMENT SHARIA LAW, if they so choose.

The people lost. The Indians won. Their casinos continue to pop up. The idiots in Seattle think they won something. Glad I left.

12 posted on 10/25/2007 6:31:17 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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Given this, you’d have to be an idiot to play at one of those casinos.


15 posted on 10/25/2007 6:34:08 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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This guy is an ass hat .. the same type of malfunctions occur in Vegas Casinos and guess what ... they don’t pay off for the malfunction either ... he should have taken the $2500 ...

now he gets squat ..


17 posted on 10/25/2007 6:35:25 AM PDT by SubGeniusX (The People have UNENUMERATED RIGHTS ... the Govt. does NOT have UNENUMERATED POWERS)
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Sovereign Immunity sure does not work for tax free tobacco sales.


20 posted on 10/25/2007 6:38:42 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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I actually agree with the casino. The max jackpot on the machine was $2500 and states as such. The machine showed he won $1.6M. Not the same as if the machine was able to pay that amount.


27 posted on 10/25/2007 6:45:17 AM PDT by DemEater
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A glitch? What the rigged machined didn’t work as it was supposed to? Perhaps they should go back to weighted dice. The casino is responsible for its machines. It should have insurance to cover liablilty of gliches.

Think about it the other way: if you gambled with money you didn’t have (perhaps a bad check that initally passed), would the casino accept an excuse about a glitch in calculating your bank balance? Or would they take you out back and scalp you?

Additionally, the bank error analogy is erroueous since there was not a wager placed to win that amount.


32 posted on 10/25/2007 6:57:45 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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Gambling is a tax on the mathematically disinclined anyway. They can only ‘screw the public over’ if the public is stupid enough to gamble away their money at their casino.

I agree with the posters who say that NOT paying out the jackpot will probably cost the casino more in bad publicity and lost revenue than just paying it.

Also, a treaty is a treaty. If we granted them Sovereign Immunity, then they have Sovereign Immunity. Don’t like it? Stay off the reservation.

34 posted on 10/25/2007 7:01:44 AM PDT by allmendream (A binary modality is a sure sign you don't understand the problem. (Hunter 08))
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He should sue the slot manufacturer, IGT. A billion-dallar company might pay off just to avoid the bad publicity.


38 posted on 10/25/2007 7:06:10 AM PDT by The people have spoken
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If they have sovereign immunity how come they get to vote in US elections?


39 posted on 10/25/2007 7:06:34 AM PDT by Menehune56 (Oderint Dum Metuant (Let them hate, so long as they fear - Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC)))
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I’m betting (pun) the tribe in question pays out the amount in an out of court settlement.

Thats the smart move from a business viewpoint. Casino’s that get the rep they don’t pay when they lose don’t survive.


41 posted on 10/25/2007 7:11:33 AM PDT by Badeye ('Ron Paul joined 88 Democrats.....")
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The machine has a $2500 max pay out disclaimer. Regardless of tribal law I think the casino is safe.
42 posted on 10/25/2007 7:18:00 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (BUILD THE WALL, ENFORCE THE LAW! ®™ ± ‰¢ ©)
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This isn’t the first time they have ripped of patrons. They should have to post a big advertisenment stating “We are Indian givers”


43 posted on 10/25/2007 7:20:40 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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Methinks the whole “malfunction” thing is just a BS excuse to not pay up.

A legit malfunction voids the payout...but how does one prove it did or did not “malfunction?”

A malfunction is probably simply a malfunction in the casino’s bank account and their desire to part with the cash.


47 posted on 10/25/2007 7:30:58 AM PDT by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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Casino rule #1: The House ALWAYS wins. Always.

TankerKC Rule #1: Don't frequent casinos.

55 posted on 10/25/2007 8:02:21 AM PDT by TankerKC (You don't have to believe everything you think.)
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Nevada and New Jersey have gaming commissions.

What do Tribes with casinos have? The Tribal Council?
They'll just vote you off the Rez.

58 posted on 10/25/2007 8:17:16 AM PDT by AU72
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The slot machine has a disclaimer that says it pays a maximum of
$2,500 and warns that malfunctions void all winnings,

He should've taken the $2500 because he didn't win the amount shown,
and does not deserve it.

59 posted on 10/25/2007 9:27:47 AM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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