GLENN BECKHonest Questions with John Hagee (Glenn Beck interview about end times)

CNN.com ^ | October 12, 2007 | Glenn Beck John Hagee

[do the dhue]

Gleen Beck had Pastor John Hagee on his show last night. They discussed the end times. I think this was one of the best interviews I have seen in a long time. It was very interesting. Did anyone see it? Here is the transscript

[444Flyer]

Thanks for the post. More of the Gospel being proclaimed throughout the earth.

[Uri’el-2012]

[Petronski]

It decays and must be replenished. When was the last time that was done?

[do the dhue]

I hear you and understand,

But why were we instructed to comfort each other with the promise of a rapture?

1 Thessalonians 4:18

Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

[do the dhue]

I hear you and understand,

But why were we instructed to comfort each other with the promise of a rapture?

1 Thessalonians 4:18

Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

[do the dhue]

oops

[Nowhere Man]

I remeber reading this in the 1970’s when I was a kid, where the USSR was supposed to march down into Israel, I think at that time, it was Hal Lindsey. It seems like Armageddon is always near or a generation from now at the latest. Not that I disbelieve it, but then again who knows. The only thing I can say is to keep faith in God and try to survive to make it to the other side.

[sasportas]

My position on eschatology is Historic Premillennialist. Which Hagee is not. He is a Dispensational Premillennialist. Which is not historical. By that, I mean the earliest writings of church history until the times of Darby in the early 19th century were Post-tribulational and non-dispensational.

Not until John Darby, the “Father of Dispensationalism,” did the teaching of a pretribulational rapture arise. Darby shifted the emphasis away from the church to Judaism. The pretrib rapture is the mechanism that made his dispensationalism work.

Historic Premillennialists believe in the rapture, however, not a PRETRIB one. The rapture is post-trib, that is, the coming of Christ, the resurrection, rapture, and gathering together of the saints takes place at the end of the tribulation.

Most of what Hagee says that is premillennial in nature, I agree with as my position is premillennial also. It is his pretrib dispensationalism I disagree with.

[joebuck]

Lightening can melt eyes and tounges. And the technology unleashed during the Roman empire was astounding, much of it not rediscovered after the fall of Rome until 18th and 19th centuries. And we still don’t know how Romans pulled off many of their engineering feats. Clearly every generation gets closer to the last and can be expected to fullfill more prophecy than the prior, but there is no reason the end times might not be 1000 years away. Charles Miller gave just as good an argument 150 years ago that he was in the final days. His confidence resulted in the “great disappointment”. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’m not convinced you are correct either. Perhaps that’s just me. I’m not convinced the whole idea of the Rapture is biblical. I’ve seen all the verses cited in support and think they could all equally apply to a final and only coming of Christ. I’m not ready to reject the Rapture though, becasue the Church is NEVER mentioned in Revelation after Chapter 3 and much of the Greek in Chapters 2 and 3 when compared with later verses in Revelation suggest the Church will be gone in the end times. I personally don’t believe there has been enough historical revelation for us to really get our arms around end times. I also recall that the last time Jesus came around it was totally contrary to how everyone thought it would be.

[bluefish]

People have noted the acceleration of the “signs” since the beginning of time. It is hard not to focus on the moment in which you were living.

I don’t try to predict. The Bible tells me not to as well.

[Uri’el-2012]

What is the half-life ?

12.33 years

So the yield is not maximum.

so ?

[do the dhue]

I also recall that the last time Jesus came around it was totally contrary to how everyone thought it would be.

That is a good point.

[phillyfanatic]

Tim LaHaye and Jenkins’ Left Behind Series seems to match the Hagee remarks. There is , of course, the theological question of the Rapture based on one scripture in Thess. The Lord has never protected huge masses of Christians, the Church or the Jews from persecution. The Rapture seems to be an interpretation from the days of Scofield. It is not an old view and has only gotten a hearing in the last 100 years or so. Of course, as a believer,I want it to happen but if it does not, our faith in Jesus when he does appear will really have been tested in these Times.

[do the dhue]

I read Hal Lindsey. I still think it is good reading.

[Petronski]

So, keep watching the sky for those Soviet nukes, lol.

And try to contain your disappointment if they don’t come.

[fish hawk]

I am in agreement with most of what you are saying but sometimes you go way out on a limb not to see things straight. For instance the tattoo thing to replace the mark on the hand or forehead, and now the lightning for the nukes. Do you really think that lightning is going to strike down whole armies and nations at the same time? Don’t answer just think about it.

[Uri’el-2012]

People have noted the acceleration of the “signs” since the beginning of time. It is hard not to focus on the moment in which you were living.

I don’t try to predict. The Bible tells me not to as well.

Reviewing the signs listed by Pastor Hagee
It seems speed of travel, communication and knowledge have all
gone exponential since the founding of Israel in 1948.

I don't predict. I watch the signs for His coming.

NAU Matthew 24:33 so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door.

shalom b'shem Yah'shua

[fish hawk]

If you want the best book ever written on Revelation and the end times, get Clarence Larkins book “Dispensational Truths”. He wrote this in 1929 and talks of Israel , in the future, becoming a nation but did not live to see it as Israel became a nation in 1948. He did know his prophecy. This book is not that easy to find but I believe it is still in limited print. Lots of charts and graphs of the chain of events.

[Uri’el-2012]

Not until John Darby, the “Father of Dispensationalism,” did the teaching of a pretribulational rapture arise. Darby shifted the emphasis away from the church to Judaism. The pretrib rapture is the mechanism that made his dispensationalism work.

Darby and the Plymouth Brethren were the first to reject all
the centuries of paganism and use literal historical exegesis.

[joebuck]

"Do you really think that lightning is going to strike down whole armies and nations at the same time? Don’t answer just think about it."

Isn't that exactly what happened to the City of Sodom? (sorry, scripture gave me an answer and I had to use it)