Posted on 10/10/2007 8:38:12 AM PDT by george76
Mother-in-law of shooter says he had no choice but to shoot.
A man who shot and killed a mountain lion last week in defense of his puppy should face criminal charges in the incident for "baiting" the animal, a wildlife-advocacy group said Tuesday.
Wendy Keefover-Ring, director of the Boulder-based Sinapu Carnivore Protection Program, said state prosecutors should cite Jeremy Kocar for baiting the mountain lion by leaving his dog tied up outside overnight.
Kocar also should face charges of shooting a cougar out of hunting season, which runs Nov. 20 through March 31, shooting without a hunting license and animal cruelty for leaving the puppy out without the protection of a covered kennel, Keefover-Ring said.
"I think it's absolutely negligent," Keefover-Ring said. "If you're living in mountain-lion country, it's common sense that you don't tether a dog outside.
"He needs to be made an example of."
Kocar, 31, killed the big cat early Friday morning after discovering Duke, his family's 8-month-old Rottweiler-Labrador mix, trapped in the cougar's jaws outside his Nederland-area trailer.
Kocar said the cougar turned toward him and took an aggressive posture, prompting him to fire a round at the cougar's head.
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Cougars eat one deer per week. A hundred pounds is a kibble-snack.
Nor did they evolve chained up anywhere.
You mean packs of sled dogs sleep outdoors. No bear or cougar in his right mind is going to attack a pack of healthy dogs.
To these animal rights wacko's it would not make any difference if the victim was a pet, a child or an adult.
It is still mountain lion country even if there was only one mountain lion in the entire state.
Yep. The ‘PETA Phreaks’ around here like to release ranch mink and veal calves in an attempt to “free” them back into the wild or something, LOL!
LOL
You are correct. Better owners have a small shelter for the animals to stay out of the wind/snow.
Locally, we loose dogs/pets to pack wolves and bears.
There is a trail (Eagle River area) on the edge of town that leads into a (sorta) remote area.
I carry a 12 ga, EVERY time. The place is lousy with bears. Real pretty tho.
I’ve never considered that a 100 lb. rottweiler might be a kibble-snack, even for a cougar.
Kids should be kept chained in the basement or in the absence of a basement a large walk-in closet. Upon reaching puberty the door should be nailed shut and they should be fed through the keyhole or whatever can be slipped under the door.
>Nor did they evolve chained up anywhere
LOL!! OMG, lost another cup of coffee!
Without being chained they would not be domestic animals at all. Ever think of that?
Not chained up... LOL!!
“If someone doesn’t care about their dog, that is their business. But to say there is nothing wrong with it is a falsehood”
Big difference between what you say and a general statement that chaining dogs is cruel.
You've really jumped on the judgement wagon. You've condemmed the guy as cruel when it seems to me as though there could be all sorts of reasons, some quite reasonable, as to why a person would tie up a dog at night in a rural area that have nothing to do with cruelity.
One, and the most likely, is that it's probably illegal to let him roam loose at night, due to possible interactions with neighbors and wildlife; as well as a nuisance (think skunks).
Probably the yard is unfenced, and the guy maybe can't afford a fence. They can be awfully expensive, especially if you've got an acre or so. It did say he lived in a trailor.
It wasn't exactly a puppy; 8 months old is nearly grown, and a rottweiler-lab mix is not exactly small.It doesn't seem unreasonable that a big guard dog would spend the night outdoors.
My sister lives in the mountains and their two labs spend all night outside every night. Their yard is not fenced, why would you on 20 acres ? They are chained up so they don't run around chasing stuff, but are by the house to monitor the yard, and make a noise if something prowls around. That seems like a perfectly reasonable use of a guard-type dog. The dogs don't seem to mind, and I don't think my sister is cruel or sadistic, nor that there is anything wrong with doing that. They love their dogs.
Maybe people don't do it in polar bear country, but Nederland Colorado is hardly the wilds of Alsaka. If the guy hadn't considered the possiblity that a mountain lion might one night attack his dog, he can hardly be condemed as stupid.
ANd he was monitoring he situation, because he was out there in time to save his dog, and kill the lion.
“He needs to be made an example of.”
Keefover needs to be made an exampe of - her and the other idiots who support wacky actions like this. The guy had every right to protect himself, his property and his family from an attack by a vicious animal.
Wacko groups like hers are clogging our courts with frivolous lawsuits.
“Where mountian lions are common:
Walk in groups, making plenty of noise.”
(From the Colorado Website.)
Like ring a dinner bell.
LOL. Okay, you have a (very good) point.
I think it's far nicer to keep them fenced in a big yard then chained up.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Our dogs are ‘indoor dogs’.
That said, anything, and I mean ANYTHING that tries to bring harm to my dogs I’ll kill, without a second thought.
And yes, that includes homo sapiens folks.
Before anyone ‘goes off’ on this post, please read my first sentence again, note the circumstances I outline.
‘Perhaps it’s not deliberate ‘baiting’, but it certainly is stupid. Puppies cannot defend themselves against much of anything, let alone mountain lions.’
I raised my Rott/Shepard mix from approximately 14 weeks old up until today (she’ll be 12 on January 1st).
Trust me on this, at eight months my ‘baby’ Roxie could have torn your arm off....and had a fun time playing ‘guard the arm’ for hours afterwards....(chuckle)
That said, she would be no match at any point in her life for a mountain lion.
I supose the kook ‘activist’ had no problem with the recent fatal attacks on joggers by mountain lions.....
Ah, the rest of the story, thanks.
I don’t think that chaining dogs is cruel at all...good gosh, I sure hope not, or PETA is going to come after me.
We do not disagree, I think...anyone who thinks it is cruel to chain a dog probably shouldn’t own one.
Now, not to say in a pure, unfettered state that a dog should be able to run free and do what it likes. Heck, I wish that for all dogs. But very few of us have dogs in that state. Most of the time, we cannot let them run or some kind of agency or another will be on us, or the dog will be at risk for being hit by a car.
Careful...I did not in any way condemn the guy as cruel...as a matter of fact, I was sticking up for him because he was tuned into the state of the helpless animal and came out in time to save it.
Re-read my post...I don’t think you and I disagree.
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