Got 7 of 8 in the 8th Grade Test
Posted on 09/19/2007 5:48:59 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
The University of Wisconsin-Madison did relatively well in a 50-college test of how much students learned about history and economics during four years of college, but students in Wisconsin and nationally knew little when they came in and not much more when they left. No college did better than a D-plus on the Civic Literacy Test released Tuesday by the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, a nonpartisan conservative educational organization that stresses the values of a free society.
The national average was F.
The test of 14,000 randomly selected students revealed that some of the most expensive Ivy League universities, with the highest-paid presidents and largest government subsidies, were the worst-performing, the institute found.
Overall, the nation's freshmen and seniors scored slightly more than 50 percent on the 60-question exam. The institute said that a kindergartner would have scored about 20 percent correct just by guessing.
The study tested freshmen and seniors at the colleges and universities, in order to determine how much history they learned there. The researchers did not test the same students in freshmen and senior years, but those who were freshmen and seniors in the same year.
Eastern Connecticut State University ranked first, by adding 9.65 percentage points to the score from freshman to senior year. Marian College, a private school in Fond du Lac, was second, with a 9.44 percentage point gain, while the University of Wisconsin-Madison ranked 15th, gaining 6.3 percentage points.
UW-Madison and Marian College were the only Wisconsin schools tested.
Living in the present
Asked about the exercise, David McDonald, chairman of the History Department at UW-Madison, termed the test interesting but questioned the institute's conclusions.
Students generally learn basic history in high school, he said, adding that they often study historical details in order to pass college entry exams, but then go on to pursue other knowledge at the college level.
"Colleges reflect general attitudes and patterns in society. This is not a historically oriented society. We look at quarterly reports instead of long trends. There is a lot of emphasis on living in the present, and not a great deal of understanding of larger historical patterns," said McDonald, who grew up in Canada but got just three wrong on the American history exam.
"There is a mythical past in which everyone knew this material. If you are from a well-to-do household with well-educated parents, you will do well on this and other academic areas. Students should probably know the sequence of events in the Civil War. But is it more important for Americans to know that John Locke was a major influence on the Declaration of Independence or that they have a strong understanding of their rights and be willing to act on them?"
Students at several expensive universities, including Yale, Cornell, Princeton and Duke, actually lost ground during four years of college education.
But the median score of students at those prestigious universities was higher than most colleges where students gained more knowledge during their college career.
For instance, freshman at Yale got 68.94 percent of the answers right and those at Cornell got 61.9 percent correct, though seniors did worse in both cases.
UW-Madison freshmen scored 51.57 percent correct and seniors got 57.87 percent. At Marian College, freshmen scored just 33.66 percent and seniors 43.10 percent.
Gorbachev who?
The test consisted of 60 multiple-choice questions about America's history, government, international relations and economics. The test, the answers and the results at the various colleges can be found online at http://www.americancivicliteracy.org
Typical questions included: "The Constitution of the United States established what form of government?" and "Which wall was President Reagan referring to when he said, 'Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall'?" The test also included some questions on the U.S. economy and political philosophy.
"The evidence from our ongoing research shows that colleges, especially the most expensive and elite schools, are failing to advance students' knowledge of America's history, government and free market economics and consequently not preparing their students to be informed and engaged citizens," said Josiah Bunting III, chairman of ISI's National Civic Literacy Board.
"The time has come for higher education's key decision-makers -- state legislators, trustees, donors, alumni, faculty, students' parents -- to hold the nation's colleges and their presidents accountable for teaching their students America's history and institutions."
McDonald said nationwide, students who took the test did well on questions regarding Abraham Lincoln, the New Deal and Brown vs. Board of Education, and did worst on the Revolutionary War, Plato and the requirement for a just war, a question that he said was strangely phrased.
Students who study history in college learn that events are the results of several levels of cause, and that people are products of their times, McDonald said.
"They learn that evidence must be scrutinized and viewed with skepticism," he said. "Our job is to produce people who can do critical thinking, who are aware that they hold certain views and understand why."
9th grade was civics, 10th grade was world history, 11th grade was US history.
That’s all the history I’ve had in my entire life.
You still beat UC Berkely, Feel any better?
# responses 68
Average 86% (51.3)
Std Dev. 9% (5.1)
Looking good
I got 85%. Not too bad from an old man with a high school GED fron the Navy back in the 50s
Got 50 out of 60 right. Not bad for a Canuck hey??
just what I have heard by hanging around on street corners.
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Gosh, you’ve been hanging around a real tough part of town haven’t you? :)
I scored 78.33% - that would have only earned me a “C” in my high school history class!
I made an 87. Y’all give this a try. About in-line with my undergrad GPA.
Got 7 of 8 in the 8th Grade Test
Average 85% (51.2)
Std Dev. 8% (5.0)
Doing great, good evidentiary data regarding
the superiority of freepers
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57/60. That’s still an A, isn’t it?
In college right now 50/60. Didn’t do so well on the philosphers and some of the economic questions because of political differences.
1. Most of the Ivy League schools had better scores from their freshmen than their seniors.
2. Only Harvard seniors did better than Grove City College seniors.
WooHoo!!!
This is to all. All of you seem to be giving you’re correct score based on the honor system. Mine is one of the lowest (no surprise to me) but it seems everyone here knows that there is a difference between knowing the answer and cheating. Kudos FReepers! :^)
This was more about political science and economics than history.
Even so:
You answered 47 out of 60 correctly — 78.33 %
Can't believe I missed the Jamestown one, I got my centuries mixed up.
I disagree on the War of 1812 answer, anybody else?
You answered 57 out of 60 correctly — 95.00 %Average score for this quiz during September: 75.0%
Average score since September 18, 2007: 75.0%
Answers to Your Missed Questions:
I got numbers 19, 23, 58, and 60 wrong. Not bad for a hard science major who had Western Civilization (instead of American History) in college. I went to Catholic school, though...
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