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Senate votes to ban Mexican trucks
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | Sep. 11, 2007 | Suzanne Gamboa

Posted on 09/11/2007 5:09:04 PM PDT by ruination

WASHINGTON - The Senate voted Tuesday to ban Mexican trucks from U.S. roadways, rekindling a more than decade-old trade dispute with Mexico.

By a 74-24 vote, the Senate approved a proposal by Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., prohibiting the Transportation Department from spending money on a North American Free Trade Agreement pilot program giving Mexican trucks access to U.S. highways.

The proposal is part of a $106 billion transportation and housing spending bill that the Senate hopes to vote on later this week. The House approved a similar provision to Dorgan's in July as part of its version of the transportation spending bill.

Supporters of Dorgan's amendment argued the trucks are not yet proven safe. Opponents said the U.S. is applying tougher standards to Mexican trucks than to Canadian trucks and failing to live up to its NAFTA obligations.

Until last week, Mexican trucks were restricted to driving within a commercial border zone that stretched about 20 miles from the U.S.-Mexican boundary, 75 miles in Arizona. One truck has traveled deep into the U.S. interior as part of the pilot program.

Blocking the trucks would help Democrats curry favor with organized labor, an important ally for the 2008 presidential elections.

"Why the urgency? Why not stand up for the (truck) standards that we've created and developed in this country?" Dorgan asked.

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, who drafted a Republican alternative to Dorgan's amendment, said the attempt to block the trucks appeared to be about limiting competition and may amount to discrimination against Mexico.

"I would never allow an unsafe truck on our highways, particularly Texas highways," he said.

Under NAFTA, Mexico can seek retaliation against the U.S. for failing to adhere to the treaty's requirements, including retaining tariffs on goods that the treaty eliminates, said Sidney Weintraub, a professor emeritus at the University of Texas LBJ School of Public Affairs in Austin.

The trucking program allows up to 100 Mexican carriers to send their trucks on U.S. roadways for delivery and pickup of cargo. None can carry hazardous material or haul cargo between U.S. points.

So far, the Department of Transportation has granted a single Mexican carrier, Transportes Olympic, access to U.S. roads after a more than decade-long dispute over the NAFTA provision opening up the roadways.

One of the carrier's trucks crossed the border in Laredo, Texas last week and delivered its cargo in North Carolina on Monday and was expected to return to Mexico late this week after a stop in Decatur, Ala.

The transportation bill is S. 1789.


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To: editor-surveyor

Ouch. I give you a three pointer on that one.

Everyone has their own view on this topic. You and I agree, but it’s a tough issue to nail down. Both sides seem to have to good points, but the free traders have been sold a bill of goods, and they’re out to convert the world.

Not this guys... I’m just not buying it.


401 posted on 09/11/2007 9:55:20 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

You need to compare alternatives. One alternative is to unload/load at the border. The other alternative is not to unload/load. I am no expert in the transportation industry but those are the alternatives as I understand. I do not think it is a requirement to unload/load all trucks at the border if this agreement goes forward.


402 posted on 09/11/2007 9:56:32 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: businessprofessor
"NAFTA is a very complex agreement"

That's why the Exec wants Fast Track Authority...no debate.

403 posted on 09/11/2007 9:56:59 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Countries with more freedom have higher standards of living.


404 posted on 09/11/2007 9:57:50 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: businessprofessor

Thank you


405 posted on 09/11/2007 9:58:10 PM PDT by scarface367 (The problem is we have yet to find a cure for stupid)
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To: endthematrix

I appreciate your view on who drives the trucks. That’s okay. I agree with wanting saftety issues to be a priority.


406 posted on 09/11/2007 9:58:16 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Netizen

Thanks. Have a good one...


407 posted on 09/11/2007 9:59:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Your definition of freedom disqualifies you from this discussion.


408 posted on 09/11/2007 9:59:46 PM PDT by jedward (I'm not sure you meant, what I understand...or maybe you did.)
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To: jedward

“China gaining the top spot in Foreign Trade Dominance accounced a few weeks ago comes to mind...thanks of course to our wonderful ‘trade policies’.”

Slave labor, and a currency deliberately kept artificially low helped China immensely. Our trade policies are suicidal.


409 posted on 09/11/2007 10:00:09 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: dragnet2
For Pete sake, their entire country has no respect for our laws, our borders or our sovereignty. Quite right. Understatement is my style.
410 posted on 09/11/2007 10:00:42 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (9/11: Never forget, never forgive, never again ...)
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To: dragnet2; jedward; All

“For Pete sake, they’re entire country has no respect for our laws, our borders or our sovereignty.

To those that haven’t figured it out, Mexico laughs in our faces, breaks our laws, and then makes demands on us.”

And Calderon just gave the USA the middle finger!


411 posted on 09/11/2007 10:01:37 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: ruination

I wonder what happened to the suggestion that all drivers of trucks from Mexico or ANYWHERE - be able to read and speak ENGLISH..and pass the tests for an American Commercial Truck driving license in ENGLISH?


412 posted on 09/11/2007 10:02:53 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“Our trade policies are suicidal.”

That they are. Remember the best argument laid out on another thread by someone...’we’re already screwed, so we might as well just keep going this direction’? If that’s not a defeatist attitude, please someone show me one.


413 posted on 09/11/2007 10:02:54 PM PDT by jedward (I'm not sure you meant, what I understand...or maybe you did.)
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To: businessprofessor
Like the taxi cab industry in the U.S., it's almost exclusively now run by Muslims/Mid-Easterners....Heck, most of our major airports are completely encircled by potential car bombs...I mean taxi cabs driven by Mid-Eastern Muslims. Ya see, this is all part of our crack Homeland Security.

So we might as well give up our entire trucking industry to Mexico. Because that is exactly what will eventually occur.

414 posted on 09/11/2007 10:03:40 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: jedward

Look you seem to think you’re some kind of economics trade wizzard or something. That’s okay. What baffles me is why you think business concerns are going to pay truckers $18 to $24 dollars an hour to go into Mexico to pick up goods and deliver them back into the U.S., when they could pay a Mexican driver to do it for $5 to $10 an hour.

Wasn’t the idea here to cut costs to the bone for the benefit of all mankind? Please explain why you think folks are going to opt to pay higher wages.

I mean if this makes sense, there’s no need to have Mexican drivers do anything.


415 posted on 09/11/2007 10:06:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne ((Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking its heritage.))
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To: businessprofessor
Among other responsibilities, I am involved in shipping and receiving goods between 56 countries. Trust me on this one. When goods arrive into the USA, the are always consolidated into routes which service unique areas. This means that goods are off loaded at terminals and reloaded onto other trucks destined for particular destinations, just like tankers are off loaded at ports of entry. The “efficiency” argument is BS.
416 posted on 09/11/2007 10:07:29 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: jedward
Your definition of freedom disqualifies you from this discussion.

Really? What's my definition of freedom?

417 posted on 09/11/2007 10:08:01 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Ignorance of the laws of economics is no excuse.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I’m baffled myself. I have no idea what you are talking about.


418 posted on 09/11/2007 10:09:39 PM PDT by jedward (I'm not sure you meant, what I understand...or maybe you did.)
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To: jedward
The post obviously wasn’t meant for you.
419 posted on 09/11/2007 10:10:48 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: jedward

” If that’s not a defeatist attitude, please someone show me one.”

Too many Americans are getting soft!


420 posted on 09/11/2007 10:11:26 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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