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A New Paleolithic Revolution
Minerva ^ | 9-6-2007

Posted on 09/06/2007 2:17:33 PM PDT by blam

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1 posted on 09/06/2007 2:17:34 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 09/06/2007 2:18:00 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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3 posted on 09/06/2007 2:31:51 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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4 posted on 09/06/2007 2:51:16 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus ("The stool pigeon is the coming race." - Jack Black, <i>You Can't Win</i>)
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5 posted on 09/06/2007 4:59:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, August 29, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

Very interesting. I would like to see a more detailed and thoroughgoing analysis of his findings.


6 posted on 09/06/2007 5:28:07 PM PDT by Renfield (How come there aren't any football teams with pink uniforms?)
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Near aquatic resources, and not alongside agricultural fields,

Makes sense. If you build fish traps then you have a stable food source with low energy expenditure.

This meshes with another idea that the first farmed crops were fruit and nut trees. Another stable food resource that also would not require a much energy expenditure.

Women with small children who had no man to hunt for them or men who were injured and could no longer take part in hunts were probably the first to realize this. Minnows might not be as tasty as fresh zebra meat but it beats dying of hunger by a wide margin.

7 posted on 09/06/2007 5:39:36 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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Very interesting. I would like to see a more detailed and thoroughgoing analysis of his findings.

I would love to see a book-length scientific version of these ideas!

All sorts of neat new findings being made lately. (Thanks Blam!)

8 posted on 09/06/2007 5:45:21 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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Near aquatic resources, and not alongside agricultural fields, Professor Ziegert contests that our ancestors settled down for the first time in small communities of 40-50 people.

This could actually reinforce the Aquatic ape theory of man's ascent. Humans have certain traits that no other primate do: Hair on the head that never stops growing, large pendulous breasts on females, no fur on skin, tear ducts, downward pointed nostrils shielded by a fleshy nose, innate ability to hold breath submerged--even in infants, subcanteaceous fat layer under the skin, and many more traits point to an aquatic past somewhere along the line for us. We're a strange kind of primate for sure.

9 posted on 09/06/2007 6:16:56 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Long hair for women, a remnant from long ago for kids to hang onto and float around with mom?


10 posted on 09/06/2007 6:35:43 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Alas Babylon!
This could actually reinforce the Aquatic ape theory of man's ascent.

There are a lot of things which argue against this theory. Here is one website that examines such counterarguments: Aquatic Ape Theory: Sink or Swim.

11 posted on 09/06/2007 7:39:04 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: blam
Crap.

Of course when hunters/gatherers found a steady food supply they stayed in one place, and even manipulated their environment. Doh.

No manner of flints and ancient wood (measured how???) or supposed maritime migrations can add up to the “quantum leap” that the Neolithic revolution represents: the change from managing food supply to controlling and creating it.

12 posted on 09/06/2007 7:55:31 PM PDT by nicollo (you're freakin' out!)
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Near aquatic resources, and not alongside agricultural fields, Professor Ziegert contests that our ancestors settled down for the first time in small communities of 40-50 people.

I don't see the 'contest'. Necessities for survival, in order: Water, food, shelter... And where you find water, you generally find food and rudimentary shelter. And a primo location is going to attract a crowd.

13 posted on 09/07/2007 3:18:27 AM PDT by elli1
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Our local Karuk and Yurok had seasons of lamprey, spring chinook, fall chinook and deer come to them. They didn’t have to move. They developed family “owned” fishing spots for dip net, rather than garden plots - although they did gather acorns and basket making materials. If the aquatic resources were plentifull year round in an area, it would seem to make sense that the tribe would be sedentary to secure their use.


14 posted on 09/07/2007 9:28:16 AM PDT by marsh2
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Jim Moore;s totally biased unscientific cheapshots against aquatic ape are thoroughly debunked here Jim Moore's "AAT Sink or Swim?" Web Site
15 posted on 09/07/2007 12:37:04 PM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: blam
To use a cliche: This changes everything.

For one thing, it pushes language back from the current thinking of 50,000 to 85,000 years ago. Really starts one to thinking.

16 posted on 09/08/2007 10:18:31 AM PDT by JimSEA
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just a bttt.
...the team analysed over 50,000 pieces of wood and nearly 36,000 flints from two hearths associated with a Homo erectus settlement dating back 790,000 years. More contentiously, Robert Bednarik is convinced that Upright Man ushered in the dawn of trans-ocean travel between 900,000 and 800,000 years ago as part of a wider revolution...

17 posted on 09/12/2007 5:14:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, September 12, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Alas Babylon!

i must contest the no fur on skin, my built in sweater vest pays homage to any other apes pelt!


18 posted on 09/14/2007 9:48:01 AM PDT by Docbarleypop (Navy Doc)
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Note: this topic is from 09/06/2007. Thanks blam.
"Between 400,000 and 200,000 years ago, hominins are also known to have crossed to at least two islands in Europe, Corsica, and Sardinia. This is soundly demonstrated, but in addition it is possible that much earlier they managed to cross the Strait of Gibraltar. Unfortunately, that cannot be proved conclusively, because the alternative of reaching Europe by land has always existed." -- Robert Bednarik

19 posted on 04/01/2018 10:46:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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20 posted on 04/02/2018 12:05:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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