Interesting.
The curvature visible at the top of the image suggests this is footage was made by using a camera to record the footage off of a television screen.
What kind of setup displays the network, time and date at the top of the screen?
Posted on 08/30/2007 2:48:08 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
Police Officers Question Craig After Arrest at Minneapolis Airport Aug. 30, 2007 —
The following is an unedited transcript of an interview between police Sgt. Dave Karsnia and police Detective Noel Nelson with Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, regarding a June 11 incident at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. Audiotapes and a transcript of the interview were released today.
Craig was arrested June 11 in an airport bathroom by Karsnia, who was working undercover. Karsnia said Craig exhibited behavior in the men's restroom that was "often used by persons communicating a desire to engage in sexual conduct."
Craig later pleaded guilty to a charge of disorderly conduct. When news of the arrest hit the press Monday, Craig issued a statement saying, "I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously."
Under pressure from Republican party leaders, Craig stepped down from his Senate committee leadership posts.
Transcript below:
Investigative Sgt. Dave Karsnia #4211 and Detective Noel Nelson of the Minneapolis Police Department intert 1162
(NN) INTERVIEW WITH Larry Craig (LC) Case 07002008
Larry Craig: Am I gonna have to fight you in court?
Dave Karsnia: No. No. I'm not gonna go to court unless you want me there.
LC: Cause I don't want to be in court either.
DK: Ok. I don't either.
(inaudible) DK: Urn, here's the way it works, urn, you'll you'll be released today, okay.
LC: Okay.
DK: All right. I, I know I can bring you to jail, but that's not my goal here, okay? (inaudible)
LC: Don't do that. You You
DK: I'm not going to bring you to jail
LC: You solicited me.
DK: Okay. We're going to get, We're going to get into that. (inaudible)
LC: Okay.
DK: But there's the, there there's two ways, yes. You can, you can, ah, you can go to court.
You can plead guilty.
LC: Yep.
DK: There'll be a fine. You won't have to explain anything. (inaudible) I know. LC: Right.
DK: And you'll pay a fine, you be (inaudible), done. Or if you want to plead not guilty, ah, and I, I can't make these decisions for you.
LC: No, no. Just tell me where I am (inaudible) I need to make this flight.
DK: Okay. Okay. And then I go to people that are not guilty, then I would have to come to court and end up testifying. So those are the two things, okay. Did I explain that part?
LC Yes
DK Okay Urn, ah, I'm just going to read you your rights real quick, okay? You got it on?
Noel Nelson: Yep.
DK Okay.
DK: Ah, the date is 6/11/07 at 1228 hours. Urn, Mr. Craig?
LC: Yes.
DK. Sorry about that. (ringing phone)
DK: You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer now or have a present, a lawyer present now or anytime during questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed to you without cost. Do you understand each of these rights the way I have explained them to you?
LC: I do.
DK: Do you wish to talk to us at this time? LC I do
DK Okay Urn, I just wanna start off with a your side of the story, okay. So, a
LC: So I go into the bathroom here as I normally do, I'm a commuter too here.
DK: Okay.
LC: I sit down, urn, to go to the bathroom and ah, you said our feet bumped. I believe they did, ah, because I reached down and scooted over and urn, the next thing I knew, under the bathroom divider comes a card that says Police. Now, urn, (sigh) that's about as far as I can take it, I don't know of anything else. Ah, your foot came toward mine, mine came towards yours, was that natural? I don't know. Did we bump? Yes. I think we did. You said so. I don't disagree with that.
DK: Okay. I don't want to get into a pissing match here.
LC: We're not going to.
DK: Good. Urn,
LC: I don't, ah, I am not gay, I don't do these kinds of things and...
DK: It doesn't matter, I don't care about sexual preference or anything like that. Here's your stuff back sir. Urn, I don't care about sexual preference.
LC: I know you don't. You're out to enforce the law.
DK: Right.
LC: But you shouldn't be out to entrap people either.
DK: This isn't entrapment.
LC: All right.
DK: Urn, you you're skipping some parts here, but what what about your hand?
LC What about it? I reached down, my foot like this. There was a piece of paper on the floor, I picked it up
DK: Okay.
LC What about my hand?
DK: Well, you're not being truthful with me, I'm kinda disappointed in you Senator. I'm real disappointed in you right now. Okay. I'm not, just so you know, just like everybody, 1,1,1, treat with dignity, I try to pull them away from the situation
LC: 1,1
DK: and not embarrass them.
LC: I appreciate that.
DK: And I
LC: You did that after the stall.
DK: I will say every person I've had so far has told me the truth. We've been respectful to each other and then they've gone on their way. And I've never had to bring anybody to jail because everybody's been truthful to me.
LC: I don't want you to take me to jail and I think.
DK: I'm not gonna take you to jail as long as your cooperative but I'm not gonna lie. We...
LC: Did my hand come below the divider? Yes. It did.
DK: Okay, sir. We deal with people that lie to us everyday. LC: I'm sure you do.
DK: I'm sure you do to sir.
LC: And gentleman so do I.
DK: I'm sure you do. We deal with a lot of people that are very bad people. You're not a bad person.
LC: No, I don't think I am.
DK: Okay, so what I'm telling you, I don't want to be lied to.
LC: Okay.
DK: Okay. So we'll start over, you're gonna get out of here. You're gonna have to pay a fine and that will be it. Okay. I don't call media, I don't do any of that type of crap.
LC: Fine.
DK: Okay.
LC: Fine.
DK: All right, so let's start from the beginning. You went in the bathroom.
LC: I went in the bathroom.
DK: And what did you do when you...
LC: 1 stood beside the wall, waiting for a stall to open. I got in the stall, sat down, and I started to go to the bathroom. Ah, did our feet come together, apparently they did bump. Well, I won't dispute that.
DK: Okay. When I got out of the stall, I noticed other other stalls were open. LC: They were at the time. At the time I entered, 1,1, at the time I entered, I stood and waited.
DK: Okay.
LC: They were all busy, you know?
DK: Were you (inaudible) out here while you were waiting? I could see your eyes. I saw you playing with your fingers and then look up. Play with your fingers and then look up.
LC: Did I glance at your stall? I was glancing at a stall right beside yours waiting for a fella to empty it. I saw him stand up and therefore I thought it was going to empty.
DK: How long do you think you stood outside the stalls?
LC: Oh a minute or two at the most.
DK: Okay. And when you went in the stalls, then what? LC: Sat down.
DK: Okay. Did you do anything with your feet?
LC: Positioned them, I don't know. I don't know at the time. I'm a fairly wide guy.
DK: I understand.
LC: I had to spread my legs.
DK: Okay.
LC: When I lower my pants so they won't slide.
DK: Okay.
LC: Did I slide them too close to yours? Did I, I looked down once, your foot was close to mine.
DK Yes.
LC Did we bump? Ah, you said so, I don't recall that, but apparently we were close.
DK Yeah, well your foot did touch mine, on my side of the stall.
LC: All right.
DK: Okay. And then with the hand. Urn, how many times did you put your hand under the stall?
LC: I don't recall. I remember reaching down once. There was a piece of toilet paper back behind me and picking it up.
DK: Okay. Was your was your palm down or up when you were doing that?
LC: I don't recall.
DK: Okay. I recall your palm being up. Okay.
LC: All right.
DK: When you pick up a piece of paper off the ground, your palm would be down, when you pick something up.
LC: Yeah, probably would be. I recall picking the paper up.
DK: And I know it's hard to describe here on tape but actually what I saw was your fingers come underneath the stalls, you're actually ta touching the bottom of the stall divider.
LC: I don't recall that.
DK: You don't recall
LC: I don't believe I did that. I don't.
DK: I saw, I saw
LC: I don't do those things.
DK: I saw your left hand and I could see the gold wedding ring when it when it went across. I could see that. On your left hand, I could see that. LC: Wait a moment, my left hand was over here.
DK: I saw there's a...
LC: My right hand was next to you.
DK: I could tell it with my ah, I could tell it was your left hand because your thumb was positioned in a faceward motion. Your thumb was on this side, not on this side.
LC: Well, we can dispute that. I'm not going to fight you in court and I, I reached down with my right hand to pick up the paper.
DK: But I'm telling you that I could see that so I know that's your left hand. Also I could see a gold ring on this finger, so that's obvious it was the left hand.
LC: Yeah, okay. My left hand was in the direct opposite of the stall from you.
DK: Okay. You, you travel through here frequently correct? LC I do
DK Um,
LC Almost weekly.
DK: Have you been successful in these bathrooms here before?
LC: I go to that bathroom regularly
DK I mean for any type of other activities.
LC: No. Absolutely not. I don't seek activity in bathrooms.
DK: It's embarrassing.
LC: Well it's embarrassing for both.. I'm not gonna fight you.
DK: I know you're not going to fight me. But that's not the point. I would respect you and I still respect you. I don't disrespect you but I'm disrespected right now and I'm not tying to act like I have all kinds of power or anything, but you're sitting here lying to a police officer.
DK: It's not a (inaudible) I'm getting from somebody else. I'm (inaudible)
LC: (inaudible) (Talking over each other)
DK: I am trained in this and I know what I am doing. And I say you put your hand under there and you're going to sit there and...
LC: I admit I put my hand down.
DK: You put your hand and rubbed it on the bottom of the stall with your left hand.
LC: No. Wait a moment.
DK: And I, I'm not dumb, you can say I don't recall...
LC: If I had turned sideways, that was the only way I could get my left hand over there.
DK: it's not that hard for me to reach. (inaudible) it's not that hard. I see it happen everyday out here now.
LC: (inaudible) you do. All right.
DK: I just, I just, I guess, I guess I'm gonna say I'm just disappointed in you sir. I'm just really am. I expect this from the guy that we get out of the hood. I mean, people vote for you.
LC: Yes, they do. (inaudible)
DK: unbelievable, unbelievable.
LC: I'm a respectable person and I don't do these kinds of...
DK: And (inaudible) respect right now though
LC: But I didn't use my left hand.
DK I thought that you...
LC: I reached down with my right hand like this to pick up a piece of paper.
DK: Was your gold ring on your right hand at anytime today.
LC: Of course not, try to get it off, look at it.
DK: Okay. Then it was your left hand, I saw it with my own eyes.
LC: All right, you saw something that didn't happen.
DK: Embarrassing, embarrassing. No wonder why we're going down the tubes. Anything to add?
NN Uh, no
DK: Embarrassing. Date is 6/11/07 at 1236 interview is done.
LC: Okay
Yeah, ok, but still something other than footsie or hand signals needs to be done, would you not agree? Playing footsie or making such gestures are not of themselves, illegal. So why wouldn’t nonverbal movements be required before concluding a violation has occurred?
Just my thoughts.
like, oh i don't know, a gang? let's say gang member "A" made a hand signal to gang member "B" indicating who gang member "B" was supposed to shoot. would you bring gang member "A" up on charges as well?
in this particular case, based on the myriad of arrests and interviews conducted during previous sting operations, i'd say the lawyers have pretty much told the cops what can and cannot be held up in court and what is acceptable PC to make an arrest.
it's a shame that you have latched on to one sentence i wrote as opposed to the many, many more i have written that have actually had something to do with this article. shame, as well, because we seem to agree on pretty much everything else...
and to be clear, saying "i'd break your leg" is protected speech, but "i am going to come over to your house right now and break your leg" can be construed as a direct threat that might put someone in fear of their physical safety. there is a difference.
[there is a difference.]
I already understood that, but you get an A for effort in attempting the clarification.
What kind of setup displays the network, time and date at the top of the screen?Good question. Video capture was more primitive in those days. lol
Vanderbilt has an archive of old newscasts (link below) and it does list this as a topic for ABC on Jul 2, 1982. There is a fee to check out the tapes so I can't see if it's the same as on youtube.
http://openweb.tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/1982-7/
DK: I’m not going to bring you to jail
LC: You solicited me.
DK: Okay. We’re going to get, We’re going to get into that. (inaudible)
Has it been verified that there had been a lot of previous arrests in this mens room? If that part is a lie then I’d suspect this was a frame up.
[latched on to one sentence i wrote ]
I sympathize with your motivations, however it is actions similar to what you describe that have assisted homosexual activists in gaining the stranglehold they now have on our legal system, our government, our workplaces, and our society.
There are better ways to respond that won’t assist the rainbow leftists in attaining their goals.
I think the sting that nailed Craig and many others was a great idea.
I’d suggest video taping the operations, but I suspect there are probably privacy issues associated with restrooms and that’s why the queers do their little tap dance in the john and not elsewhere.
“You haven’t presented any evidence to support that assumption.”
I’m not the arresting officer. If he had it, he would have charged him...
Yes, the purpose of the plea was to avoid court...that much is clear from the transcript.
“I think this incident is where the rumors started.”
I think you might be right.
Must not have been easy to find this...I appreciate the info very much.
Thanks.
“Here’s a link to the Minnesota State Penal Code”
Thanks, already have it.
“What statute number do you think he would have been charged for violating?”
Depends on the crime committed...get it? You’ve proven my point.
[Thanks, already have it.]
Then try reading it.
There are two statutes containing the word “Lewd”.
One regarding Telephone calls.
One regarding acts directed at a minor.
Which one?
“Then try reading it.”
I have read it. If you claim to have, you should read it again so you can understand it. You haven’t a clue.
What law did Craig break? Touching feet? What law?
You say these?
“One regarding Telephone calls.”
“One regarding acts directed at a minor.”
“Which one?”
Neither. What are you talking about?
Telephone call...nope, Minor? Nope, not that one either.
Let’s be clear about this. Craig used VERY poor judgment when he pled guilty to misconduct. He should have had an attorney advise him.
The fact is there is NO EVIDENCE of a crime committed here. Read the statutes again...didn’t expose himself, didn’t say anything incriminating. Nothing, nada, zip.
I get it that you don’t like this guy. That is beside the point. There was NO CRIME committed. There is no evidence, and the cop didn’t do his job properly in this sting operation. He came up empty. He did scare Craig into thinking he could avoid a trial by pleading to misconduct...again, poor judgment on Craig’s part. The prosecutor had nothing to go on...NOTHING.
Now, if you do have more info, or evidence, show it. Otherwise, you’ll have to admit you’re wrong on this one.
Those are the only two MN Criminal Code statutes that explicitly contain the word Lewd.
The correct statute was charged - The statute for Disorderly Conduct includes conduct that is Obscene.
Obscene behavior. That’s what Craig pleaded guilty to.
That’s what the other perps caught by this sting apparently pleaded guilt to as well and NOT ONE of them has spoken up so far -at least not openly.
[You’ll have to admit you’re wrong]
What time IS Craig resigning today?
Nope, you still don’t get it.
I don’t think you ever will. Round and round we go.
“The correct statute was charged - The statute for Disorderly Conduct includes conduct that is Obscene.”
“Obscene behavior. That’s what Craig pleaded guilty to.”
No, again...more slowly this time. He DID NOT plead guilty to obscene behavior...he plead to misconduct. Understand? Get it? Misconduct. Look up the definition of this charge in legal terms that you provided...
I pointed out this charge is broad...also includes noisy behavior, etc. Remember? As I said, poor judgment on the part of Craig for taking this plea.
What part of there is no evidence don’t you get? Do you know what the word obscene means? Look it up. What part of Craig’s actions were obscene? Are you starting to understand now? Craig was not charged with obscene behavior...if you say differently, then show me what obscene behavior you are specifically citing.
Of course Craig resigned...over pressure from the party.
I don’t recall hearing an admission of guilt from Craig...nope, not in the police transcript either.
Unless you can provide evidence of a crime, lewd act, obscene act...(which of course you can’t because the arresting officer couldn’t), you should come to grips with the fact that you’re wrong.
What has become painfully clear is the fact that you have no familiarity with the legal system.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
609.72 DISORDERLY CONDUCT.
Subdivision 1. Crime. Whoever does any of the following in a public or private place,
including on a school bus, knowing, or having reasonable grounds to know that it will, or will
tend to, alarm, anger or disturb others or provoke an assault or breach of the peace, is guilty of
disorderly conduct, which is a misdemeanor:
(1) Engages in brawling or fighting; or
(2) Disturbs an assembly or meeting, not unlawful in its character; or
(3) Engages in offensive, obscene, abusive, boisterous, or noisy conduct or in offensive,
obscene, or abusive language tending reasonably to arouse alarm, anger, or resentment in others.
A person does not violate this section if the person's disorderly conduct was caused by
an epileptic seizure.
LC: I don't, ah, I am not gay, I don't do these kinds of things and...
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