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Romney's honesty problem
The Boston Globe ^ | August 9, 2007 | Joan Vennochi

Posted on 08/09/2007 8:09:53 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

MITT ROMNEY is determined to prove he's pro-life. How about proving he's pro-truth?

Every time Romney tries to explain his evolution from supporter to opponent of abortion rights, his honesty comes into question. That's because his explanations over the years don't add up.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: deception; romney
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To: rhombus

Have you read Joan Venochi before? You and she make strange bedfellows. :-)

Indeed they do. Just ‘google’ her.


41 posted on 08/09/2007 9:03:00 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Badeye

I agree with you that the author most likely has the wrong motives, but facts are stubborn things. That is my point.


42 posted on 08/09/2007 9:03:54 AM PDT by Iowegian
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To: Dionysiusdecordealcis

The Boston Globe taking someone to task on an “honesty problem”? Sounds like a pot and kettle story.

Thats exactly my point.


43 posted on 08/09/2007 9:05:51 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: EternalVigilance

Let’s assume for the sake of argument that Romney’s conversion is real and complete. What does it say about a man in politics that it takes him until he’s well into his fifties to make up his mind on a major matter of public policy? Does that seem like leadership?


44 posted on 08/09/2007 9:06:09 AM PDT by Sloth (You being wrong & me being closed-minded are not the same thing, nor are they mutually exclusive.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Me neither. But I assure you that there will be an NHL franchise in Sheol before I will vote for Romney.

No problem, I feel the same way about McCain and the Paulie Girl.


45 posted on 08/09/2007 9:07:06 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: EternalVigilance
Massachusetts is a funny place. Everyone is reflexively liberal and many are often fast asleep. Many people don't even know any Republicans. The are Democrats because mommy and daddy were Democrats and Saint John the Kennedy was a Democrat. Take a look at the legislature - mostly all Democrats. But ever since Dukakis there have been a series of more liberal Republicans that have managed to squeak in usually on a promise for more fiscal sanity. But then the special interests and the Boston Globe go to work and everyone is back hating all Republicans. First there was Weld, Celluci, the disastrous Jane Swift and finally Romney before Democrats won controll of the Governor's office again. Most Freepers would have called all these Republicans "RINOs".

Did Romney do ANYTHING to get elected? No I don't think so but he did pick his battles and the things he's being beat up over would have disqualified him for any consideration immediately in Mass. I do think he did plenty of good in Mass and it really is an uphill battle there. It's true that no one really knows what's in someone's heart and I can't condemn anyone for being distrustful. But having seen Romney in action for years I'll say this... I don't believe that Romney ever thought abortion was a great thing or actually supported it - he just knew he couldn't change that in Mass and tried to take it off the table. I see it similar to the same way Bush took it off the table in 2000 when he said you have to change people's hearts first.

46 posted on 08/09/2007 9:08:39 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: EternalVigilance

Thus speaks the head fredhead, attacking Romney for being governor of a dim state. He was living in a dim state - kind of hard to be governor of Texas, for instance, when you are living in MA.

EV’s Fred on the other hand who was from a pub state now says he didn’t think CFR would turn out as it did. Why? There were certainly plenty of us screaming that it was an attack on the First Amendment at the time. Serious judgment problem there, Fred.

Well, aside from an attack on the First Amendment, the results were just more un-intended consequences (Fred was right about that). The political parties are weaker but the moonbat organizations like Moveon and Kos are much stronger.

Foaming and raging from EV will start in 5, 4, 3, ...


47 posted on 08/09/2007 9:08:45 AM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: JohnnyZ
God forbid the paper that has done far more reporting on Mitt than any other over the last 20 years go back and dredge up a bunch of uncomfortable facts.

They, like you, have nothing better to do than to attack Mitt. You'd cuddle up with the New York Times too, if they took to regularly attacking Mr. Romney.

Extremist Muslims don't like Mitt either. Think they're just peachy now? :-)

48 posted on 08/09/2007 9:09:25 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: Iowegian

I agree with you that the author most likely has the wrong motives, but facts are stubborn things. That is my point.

Its lost on me, because I don’t use a single issue ‘litmus test’ when picking a President. Its a tad more complicated.

Besides which, President’s don’t have the power to change the national view on abortion, let alone legislate it out of existence. If that was the case, Reagan would have done so in the 1980’s.

So in the real world, it simply doesn’t matter. You want it changed, you have to change congress to your viewpoint.

How’s that going?


49 posted on 08/09/2007 9:09:53 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: EternalVigilance
The camera sure doesn't lie, Joan, you old dumb hippie...


50 posted on 08/09/2007 9:09:59 AM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: EternalVigilance

Thanks for the post, great column.


51 posted on 08/09/2007 9:11:38 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Sloth

That’s fine, but in fact, the evidence that his “conversion” is phony is overwhelming. He still supports destroying embryos, notwithstanding the language he uses to cloud that fact, and he still doesn’t support the fundamental American principle that all persons have a God-given and therefore unalienable right to life.


52 posted on 08/09/2007 9:12:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (When Romney got done in MA, there were more Green Party candidates than Republican candidates...)
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To: Badeye

All I can say to you is this: If you have no strong convictions on any issue and just want a President with an “R”, then Mitt’s a ggod choice.


53 posted on 08/09/2007 9:12:30 AM PDT by Iowegian
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To: Let's Roll

LOL...you really should check your premises before you bloviate to that extent. I’m not a Fred Thompson supporter, much less the “head fredhead.”


54 posted on 08/09/2007 9:16:08 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (When Romney got done in MA, there were more Green Party candidates than Republican candidates...)
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To: Iowegian

All I can say to you is this: If you have no strong convictions on any issue and just want a President with an “R”, then Mitt’s a ggod choice.

And I in return can only say this: You display why I don’t have patience with single issue voters.

You began by asking me to provide evidence of ‘factual errors in the article’...when I never made the assertion in the first place.

You’ve since become more insulting with each successive post, now claiming I ‘have no strong convictions’.

Thats as catagorically false as the first assertion you made up above, without anything to support it.

Now, ping a Romney support to play with, thats interested in debating somebody that makes things up, attributes them to a poster, and demands an explanation.


55 posted on 08/09/2007 9:16:43 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: EternalVigilance
Romney’s “perfidy,” to use your word, is only bound by political expediency.

Bound by political expediency means no boundary at all.

Strip all your posts down to their essential message, and each one can be distilled to Romney's perfidy knows no bounds! (RPKNB!). In EV's world, all other candidates number among the angelic host, and are crowned with virtue. Romney alone is the embodiment of deceit, his each and every action and word only provide further proofs of his inquity.

You claim that your jeremiad against Romney is motivated only by love of conservative principle, but that doesn't wash. Where Romney has been conservative you give no credit. When other candidates stray from conservative principles, EV crickets chirp.

So if it isn't conservative principle that motivates EV's Romney animus, what is it?

56 posted on 08/09/2007 9:18:51 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: EternalVigilance

Yeah, nice post. I see the usual `Rah-Rah Romney!’ suspects are here, defending the indefensible.
It reminds me of Giuliani supporters faced with responding to the concerns of actual conservatives that their guy was actually pro-gun control and pro-`choice’. As is Romney.
Of course the difference between Romney and Giuliani, Rudy doesn’t belong to a non-Christian, screw-ball religion, like Scientology or Unitarianism.
At least he’s not a Baptist . . .


57 posted on 08/09/2007 9:20:38 AM PDT by tumblindice (No Clintons. No Bushs. No RINOS.)
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To: rhombus
I don't believe that Romney ever thought abortion was a great thing or actually supported it

If you were correct, this video from his 2002 gubernatorial debate would make him one of the world's most talented liars, then. Which is kind of the point, no matter how you slice it, or what you believe about his current veracity.

58 posted on 08/09/2007 9:22:43 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (When Romney got done in MA, there were more Green Party candidates than Republican candidates...)
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To: Badeye

I didn’t mean that you have no strong convictions. You said you were undecided. I was just telling you what kind of person might like to choose him. Sorry I wasn’t clearer.


59 posted on 08/09/2007 9:25:52 AM PDT by Iowegian
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To: EternalVigilance

Yeah, I’ve seen it.


60 posted on 08/09/2007 9:26:00 AM PDT by rhombus
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