Posted on 07/28/2007 3:45:31 AM PDT by bilhosty
THE turn in the polls against the Republican Party appears to be stunning in its ferocity
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Rick Santorum was the Republican senator from Pennsylvania who was defeated by he hapless Bob Casey, Jr.
That’s the Rick I meant, Santorum vs Any Democrat, but being Obama talks right and votes left, that is a match I’d like to see.
I disagree. If such a promise would yield a "win in a walk", then Dennis Kucinich and Hillary Clinton would have switched places among the Democrat field that's running for President.
While I don't trust Hillary as far as I could throw her, she has made no such promise, the loons on the left hate her, and she's far out in front among the Dems.
AMEN and AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are very right. I am glad to see someone agrees with me. And it is also gratifying to see agreement from one of the people on this board that write a thoughtful and insightful analysis and also lasting for more than 1 paragraph.
Do not kid yourself. The rating for Congress are low but that is because the Dem’s are angry with them for not pulling out of the Iraq action. They are not going to vote Republican or sit on there hands they are going to go out and elect more Dem’s. There has been a problem of not getting much out put but some of our leaders are saying that they are suddenly producing. Bush Republicanism appears to be alive and well. We have no message and are not currently presenting it.they are simply not learning. The more this continues the more we will have to go out of our way to break with W. and his crew.
Second and much more important in an electoral sense, the upper midwest has had it over the war, and is in full revolt against what they see as Republican warmongering and incompetence. While entirely patriotic, they have always been more isolationist than the rest of the country, in matters of trade as well as military action. Illinois and Michigan went a long time ago over this, and now Wisconsin, Iowa, and Missouri are following suit. The entire Mississipi valley is in play. All the left has to do there is promise to bring the boys home, and it will win in a walk.
Meanwhile in the west, the party elites have stiffed the base over immigration, and the populists will first try to drive the nominee to the right over it, but if that fails they will simply fail to show up, en masse. They already started in the last election (along with the previous), but it will be vastly worse if we run a pro amnesty candidate. And if we instead articulate a low brow nativism, then the first group above is goner than gone.
Excellent summation. The only way back for the Republicans is to form a new coalition based on mutual disgust with Democratic economic ineptness (what built the Reagan Coalition in the first place). But for that to happen we are going to have to suffer through some new Carter-style Malaise years, first.
I agree with your take on the current state of the nation. I also agree with the last line and I believe that a spiritual approach in our search for a Presidential candidate is absolutely necessary if Republicans are to choose and elect the next President. Hillary is formidable because she is the only RAT candidate who really wants the job badly enough to do anything at all to get it. She would be the face of the presidency but the real rulers would be Sorros and any number of power brokers who exist in this country and worldwide. Not that her agenda and theirs are incompatible, i.e. socialism/communism/ and opportunism. The RAT party is united behind her regardless of whatever show is put on for OBoma etc. The RATS know that this is a winner take all election, and they will leave no stone unturned to take over this country. While some Republicans and Conservatives whine incessantly about the deficiencies, perceived and real, of President Bush and his administration, the RATS single mindedly continue to bore away, in any venue available, at the Republican administration. I find this thread depressing because it is a continuation of the pity parties that have gone on for months now. If George Bush were to be replaced by any one of the posters who is so sure they have the answer to any and all situations facing this country, who would be that one? It is like all of the generals and military people who saturated the media the last two elections demonizing Pres Bush and denouncing the handling of the war. Which one had the genius to know the one brilliant stroke that would set all things right? There is a reason we vote for ONE person to lead this country. I believe the Republican party will win the 2008 Presidential election with or without the non appeasables and the constant complainers in our party. Criticism can be destructive or constructive but construction takes work and criticism is easy.
I’m on the west coast. Here is two issues that aren’t popular here.. Extreme right to life positions.. and what is perceived as gay bashing.
Republicans imo should be stronger then they are here.. free trade for example the west coast is so successful in global trade.
What is so flippin’ crazy is they can’t seem to grasp the whole idea that the ‘fairness ideology’ is unfair.
Just try to talk to them about their idea of ‘fair’ and you’ll get a round robbin response. Lord knows I’ve tried and been on the goaded guilty end of things until my only response has been ...
teach a man to fish and after that it is up to him!
>>>Bush is an honorable man.<<<
I used to think that. No more. How can an honorable man use the force of federal government to implement a massive government welfare program, thus burdening our posterity with massive debt for generations to come? How can an honorable man leave two border control agents in prison when they were convicted on the testimony of a drug smuggler given immunity by one of his Texas buddies? How could an honorable man let the media and the left get away with lie after lie after lie and not challenge them? And how many honorable men would lie to his supporters, as Bush did with a campaign promise to veto McCain-Feingold?
>>Bush is doing what he believes to be right.<<<
That could be true only if he is dumb as dirt, or he thinks it is right to give away our wealth, erode states rights, and compromise our national borders.
>>>He leaves the states to do what they are suppose to do and uses the Supreme Court to enforce states rights.<<<
Like he did with a massive expansion of the Department of Education with the Bush-Kennedy “No Child Left Behind Act”? The last time I checked the U.S. Constitution, the Federal Government has NO authority whatsoever to legislate education. It is a state-only power that was usurped by the Federal Government under the socialist, Jimmah Carter, and expanded under the socialist, George W. Bush. For the record, the Federal Government has no authority to implement Social Security, Medicare, and of course, Medicare Prescription Drugs legislation. All those powers were usurped from the states.
>>>More illegals are now being rounded up nationwide. <<<
Yea, he throws us a bone every now and then to take some of the heat off of himself, while at the same time his administration has been informing Mexican officials on the location of the Minutemen along the border (you know, the group Bush has publicly labeled to be “Vigilantes”). And what happened during the first 6.5 years of his presidency? We practically became the United States of Mexico.
>>>He is doing what he thinks is best for this country.<<<
God help us if he continues to “think”.
Last sentence should read: Criticism can be destructive or constructive but construction takes work and destruction is easy.
Watch out for polls that use all Adults, no matter if they are registered, likely voters, illegals, or concentrated in blue states.
Thank you for a strong and historically-informed post - that includes history from before the day you were born. These are rare indeed, even on FR.
1) too busy working and playing to dig for truth beyond MSM sources;
2) Perhaps confused over which party supports which issue - Bush supported (what in spirit if not name was) amnesty. Bush is a Republican. Therefore Republicans support amensty, the logical fallacy notwithstanding;
3) A refinement of (1), unaware of the deeper issues at stake with Iraq, and of the golden opportunity we have WHILE THERE to startve out an increasingly internationally-isolated Iran;
4) Barely Right-of-center on social issues, but not as gung-ho as activists on either side. Again, maybe don't see the big picture implications of 34 years of unfettered abortion-on-demand and the loss of 46 million potential taxpayers. Maybe don't see the devastating effects on our freedom of citizens losing the right to keep and bear arms. Maybe don't see the historical implications of redefining the proven (and God-ordained) nucleus of the family. But nominally many folks are on our side.
Your idea about Thompson is extremely intriguing.
We could go with a “moderate” right to life position then, sort of like under Saddam Hussein’s regime. Live at the leader’s pleasure sort of thing...
You lose one election and people are going into hysterics. A year ago people were saying are the democrats dead. Now it has flipped more then Hilary on Iraq.
Another excellent point. Clearly you're an intellectual, and you "get it". It takes at least a 120 IQ to grasp this. The average IQ by definition is 100. The challenge is to process this information into a simplified form such that the average mind can digest it...
The former is similar to what happened to Goldwater in '64. I might "like" Duncan Hunter, for example, but he has to overcome the brainwashed and undereducated electorate before I'll stake my horse to him.
Many years of wisdom behind in those words, FRiend. Sadly, I don’t see much changing right now, short of a cataclysmic wake-up call of devastating proportions to instill the breed of generational character found most recently in those who lived through the 1930s.
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