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[Tamar1973]

Are these same liberals concerned about the “division” in parishes which celebrate seperate masses in Spanish, Korean, etc?! Didn’t think so. LOL!

[LibFreeOrDie]

The Latin Mass should never have been restricted/banned in the first place.

[Heatseeker]

According to this source, which seems fairly authoritative, the anti-Jewish stuff was removed:

Letter on 1962 Missal Not Anti-Semitic

Document to Be Released Saturday

VATICAN CITY, JULY 6, 2007 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI's apostolic letter concerning the Roman Missal promulgated by John XXIII in 1962, will not reinstate a prayer for the conversion of "perfidious Jews."

The Vatican press office announced today the Pope's letter issued "motu proprio," on his own initiative, is titled "Summorum Pontificum," and will be released Saturday at noon, accompanied by an explanatory letter.

Several media reports erroneously contend that the letter could in effect reinstate a prayer offensive to Jews from the Good Friday liturgy of the Tridentine Mass, which dates back to 1570. The prayer stated: "Oremus et pro perfidies Judaeis" (Let us pray for the perfidious Jews).

On the first Good Friday after his election to the papacy in 1959, Pope John XXIII eliminated the adjective "perfidious" from the prayer. Since then the expression "Let us pray for the Jews" has been used.

That same year, he also eliminated from the rite of baptism the phrase used for Jewish catechumens: "Horresce Jusaicam perfidiam, respue Hebraicam superstitionem" (Disavow Jewish unbelieving, deny Hebrew superstition).

Also eliminated were similar formulas for those converting from idolatry, Islam or a heretical sect.

The 1962 missal was promulgated with an apostolic letter issued "motu proprio" by John XXIII "Rubricarum Instructum." The missal does not make reference to "perfidious Jews."

On Good Friday in 1963, John XXIII underlined the importance of this decision when the old formulation of the prayer for the Jews was read. The Pope interrupted the liturgy and asked that that the liturgical invocations begin again from the beginning, following the new text.

The Roman Missal adopted by Pope Paul VI in 1969, and put into effect in 1970, reformulated the prayer. It reads: "Let us pray for the Jewish people, the first to hear the word of God, that they may continue to grow in the love of his name and in faithfulness to his covenant.

"Almighty and eternal God, long ago you gave your promise to Abraham and his posterity. Listen to your Church as we pray that the people you first made your own may arrive at the fullness of redemption."

[rockabyebaby]

I went to catholic school and back then the Mass was in Latin, virtually the whole thing and it was beautiful. Since then all of the prayers have been changed around, reworded, and most of the Mass is in English, it kinda takes away from the Mass imo. Not sure if my parish will revert back to Latin, I live in MA which is virtually all libs and the town I live in is ALL libs......

[montag813]

I am a Jew, and I am not offended. I am, however, offended by liberal “Temples” where leftist “Rabbis” preach Secular Humanism and Socialism instead of the Torah.

[I_Like_Spam]

Interesting bull promulgated by the pope, but I don’t see how he will actually be able to implement it.

Its been 40 years since the Catholic Church used Latin, I suspect the vast majority don’t know enough of the language to read the slogan on a pack of cigarettes.

One cannot just order this kind of change, teaching Latin to legions of priests and altar servers is a huge task.

[Logophile]

. . . create divisions in parishes since two different liturgies would be celebrated.

What is the problem? Self-styled liberals are always lecturing us on the wonders of "diversity." Perhaps they don't really mean it.

[TASMANIANRED]

I’m hoping one will be available in a parish near me...

[gorush]

God’s phone number = Et Cum Spiri 220 (That was funny 50 years ago)

[George from New England]

I ran into a liberal priest yesterday, 7/7/07. He pu-pu the Pope’s directive. He claimed that the only valid Latin mass must contain a homily in Latin too. He is trying to sabotage the movement.

[Tanniker Smith]

My problem is that I never learned Latin. I'm post Vatican II. We weren't taught in grammar school (and the nuns would've if there were supposed to 've).

Of course, there actually is a public school in Brooklyn that teaches Latin. I wonder how this will affect that.

[philly-d-kidder]

Let me Start practicing the Confiteor that we used to say as an altar Boy while Bowing and staring at the Altar steps Rug!

Confíteor Deo omnipoténti, beátæ Maríæ semper Vírgini, beáto Michaéli Archángelo, beáto Joanni Baptístæ, sanctis Apóstolis Petro et Paulo, ómnibus Sanctis, et tibi, Pater: quia peccávi nimis cogitatióne, verbo et ópere: mea culpa [strike breast] , mea culpa [strike breast] , mea máxima culpa [strike breast]. Ideo precor beátam Maríam semper Vírginem, beátum Michaélem Archángelum, beátum Joánnem Baptístam, sanctos Apóstolos Petrum et Paulum, omnes Sanctos, et te, Pater, oráre pro me ad Dóminum Deum nostrum.
Amen!

[writmeister]

I guess this is another matter where the liberals do not believe in choice.

[do the dhue]

What about the fact that liberals upset me? Anybody gonna do anything about that?

[TAdams8591]

Liberals are upset by this? Not surprising!

[The Great RJ]

I grew up with the Latin mass and occasionally attend one offered at our cathedral. What made the English language mass so awful was that the liturgists at the time (early 1960's) were hung up on protest and folk music and the counter culture. Hence what we got were hootenanny liturgies, tie dyed vestments and hippie priests. The rich Latin liturgical tradition was also abandoned rather than integrated.

When I was studying in France in the 1970's, I was pleasantly surprised to find that in other countries the liturgical traditions were not abandoned and prayerful music without guitars was the norm.

[Donald Rumsfeld Fan]

Tridentine Mass

[television is just wrong]

why?

[Mrs. Don-o]

That bit about “divisions in parished because two different liturgies would be celebrated” is certainly bunk. My parish already has an English Mass, a Spanish Mass, and a Youth Mass ( Rockabilly Rite with Percussion.)
Sr. Eurythmics was always on and on about “celebrate diversity.” Never noticed them worrying about divisiveness.