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Revival of Latin Mass upsets liberals
Seattle Times ^ | Nicole Winfield

Posted on 07/08/2007 4:56:55 PM PDT by narses

VATICAN CITY — Pope Benedict XVI on Saturday removed restrictions on celebrating the old Latin Mass, reviving a rite that was all but swept away by the liberalizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council. The decision, a victory for traditional, conservative Roman Catholics, came over the objections of liberal-minded Catholics and angered Jews because the Tridentine Mass contains a prayer for their conversion. ... In addition to Jewish concerns, bishops in France, and liberal-minded clergy and faithful elsewhere expressed concerns that allowing freer use of the Tridentine liturgy would imply a negation of Vatican II and create divisions in parishes since two different liturgies would be celebrated.

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KEYWORDS: catholic; gramsci; latinmass; popebenedict; spiritualwarfare
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To: rockabyebaby

Following are the Latin Masses in Massachusetts. You can look up any state by going to Ecclesia Dei on your browser:

BOSTON Archdiocese Newton Upper Falls Mary Immaculate of Lourdes W Sunday: 12:00 Noon
starting April, 2007

FALL RIVER Diocese Chatham Our Lady of Grace Chapel W Sunday: 1:00 PM

SPRINGFIELD Diocese Holyoke Our Lady of Guadalupe Church 1st Sunday: 2:00 PM

WORCHESTER Diocese Still River St. Ann House W Sunday: 9:30 AM

Still River St. Benedict Center W D Sunday: 7:30 AM & 9:15 AM
Mon thru Sat, 8:30 AM


21 posted on 07/08/2007 5:29:04 PM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: bushbuddy
We are getting a new priest in our parish next week. We said good-by to our old priest who has been recalled to Malta by his bishop.

Our new priest is also from Malta and said to be an orthodox priest.

I couldn't help smiling when I heard it.

I wonder if he will have an occasional Latin Mass.

I am on parish counsel and he has called for a meeting with us. I am hoping for good things to come.

22 posted on 07/08/2007 5:29:55 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: I_Like_Spam

He is not ORDERING anybody to celebrate the mass. He is barring the local bishops from obstructing parishes that would like to celebrate it as an extraordinary mass, no different than youth masses. There is not compulsion anywhere in his writings that mandates celebration of the mass.


23 posted on 07/08/2007 5:30:47 PM PDT by WilliamWallace1999 (Doing the work our elected officials won't do)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

The Latin Mass was never dead in South America as followers of Bishop Lefevre (as I recall his name) were very numerous. There was at least one Catholic priest who would give the Latin Mass in Arizona, and there are probably more around the USA.


24 posted on 07/08/2007 5:32:52 PM PDT by Melchior
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I am a recent convert to Catholicism. I can’t wait for my first Latin Mass, but since I am not familiar with it, can anyone recommend a source that would help me to understand it better?
25 posted on 07/08/2007 5:34:59 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: I_Like_Spam

“One cannot just order this kind of change, teaching Latin to legions of priests and altar servers is a huge task.”

They are doing it as we speak. Several priests in the Chicago Archdiocese have been studying the Latin Mass for several years now, and now they are teaching it to others, so they in turn can serve at other churches that want a Latin Mass. At St. John Vianny Church in Northlake, the priest who says the Latin Mass is teaching it to others, and those priests are saying Mass for us as a way of practicing it.

As for the altar boys (and I don’t mean girls) they have readily taken to it.


26 posted on 07/08/2007 5:35:02 PM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: narses
. . . create divisions in parishes since two different liturgies would be celebrated.

What is the problem? Self-styled liberals are always lecturing us on the wonders of "diversity." Perhaps they don't really mean it.

27 posted on 07/08/2007 5:35:41 PM PDT by Logophile
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liberals don’t go to church anyway. Why should they care? Much ado about very little. Sadly, there will be few Latin masses because few modern priests are able to say them. The Latin Mass was beautiful, majestic, compelling. Of course liberals hate it.
28 posted on 07/08/2007 5:36:34 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: narses

I’m hoping one will be available in a parish near me...


29 posted on 07/08/2007 5:37:06 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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To: bushbuddy

The key word here is “reverent”. Since the implementation of the Mass in the vernacular, the Mass has been turned into some sort of a social gathering, where the congregation is constantly applauding anything and everybody. One recent Sunday in my Parish, it was the Sunday that the N.O. Saints were playing in the playoffs to go to the Super Bowl. The priest was standing at the foot of the altar at the end of Mass waiting for the exit hymn to be finished sung. Then, he suddenly dons a Saints cap, and the organist plays When the Saints Go Marching In. I know this is sort of a religious song, but the congregation started clapping and carrying on. In other words, it turned into a big Pep rally, and hardly something we would have seen 40 years ago at the end of Mass.


30 posted on 07/08/2007 5:37:56 PM PDT by murron
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To: Tamar1973

The divisions in parishes were introduced by the Novus Ordo and the guitar masses. Every parish I’ve been in since then has tended to have a liberal mass and a more conservative mass, or a children’s mass and a grownup mass. Usually the conservatives are expected to get up very early in the morning if they don’t like guitar music.


31 posted on 07/08/2007 5:38:11 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Other way around at our parish. The 7AM Mass, is the guitar mass, The 10AM is the with a traditional choir.


32 posted on 07/08/2007 5:39:51 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: mware

Printable Latin Missal:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/lmass/ord.htm

Several videos of the Latin Mass:

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22Latin+Mass%22&hl=en


33 posted on 07/08/2007 5:39:54 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Thank you so much for the links.


34 posted on 07/08/2007 5:40:56 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: narses

God’s phone number = Et Cum Spiri 220 (That was funny 50 years ago)


35 posted on 07/08/2007 5:41:18 PM PDT by gorush (Exterminate the Moops!)
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To: narses
I ran into a liberal priest yesterday, 7/7/07. He pu-pu the Pope’s directive. He claimed that the only valid Latin mass must contain a homily in Latin too. He is trying to sabotage the movement.
36 posted on 07/08/2007 5:43:16 PM PDT by George from New England
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To: LibFreeOrDie
Wow, 1941 Bishop Sheen.

Long before I converted, in my childhood our family would watch his show. We were not Catholics but my father said, he is a great man with much wisdom.

37 posted on 07/08/2007 5:43:34 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: mware

Traditional Latin Catholic Mass/Fulton Sheen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6AOvStZS64


38 posted on 07/08/2007 5:45:02 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Do you not think an Angel rides in the Whirlwind and directs this Storm?)
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To: mware

“I am a recent convert to Catholicism. I can’t wait for my first Latin Mass”

If your parish has a Latin Mass, they will get Mass books from Ecclesia Dei in Glenview, IL that will give you the English and Latin so you can follow the priest. Also they have a few of the Chants in the back, like “Credo in unum deum” and “Gloria in excelsis deus” and “Sanctus” and “Agnus Dei” so you can sing along with the choir or organist. They use the bells, also, to signal the start of a different part of the Mass. You just can’t get lost!


39 posted on 07/08/2007 5:45:31 PM PDT by MondoQueen
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Amen. If the libs don’t like it let them start their own church. They just want to be excused about everything.


40 posted on 07/08/2007 5:45:40 PM PDT by cubreporter
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