Posted on 07/06/2007 8:32:39 PM PDT by tnarg
"When I grew up, being gay, being a sissy or anything like that, was verboten," Chamberlain tells NBC. "I disliked myself intensely and feared this part of myself intensely and had to hide it."
It is not pleasant being homosexual.
Ok. The debate is on. Those who say a person is born gay. Those who say a person chooses gay.
So the room heats up with every emotion possible as the two go at it.
Which is it?
Some biblically religious state that God would not make a homosexual. Therefore, the homosexual chooses to be one; therefore, he is at fault at best and at sin at worst.
The 'other side' says that deity has nothing to do with it. A person is born homosexual — period. It's just a fact of biological reality.
Then we have Esera Tuaolo, 34, NFL player for nine years, who reveals that he is homosexual in an HBO interview on "Real Sports".
Athlete tough guy tells the world that he retired early in 1999 because of excessive frustration over keeping to himself his sexual orientation.
He told reporters that "they didn't know who Esera Tuaolo is." He claims that most of his public life was nothing more than acting out a part that was not fact.
Tuaolo, native of Hawaii, went into severe depression over his orientation, so much so that at times when driving at high speeds he contemplated twisting the wheel in the direction of ending-it-all. His head got that bad.
Tuaolo's remarks remind me of Rosie O'Donnell's TV dialogue with Barbara Walters. Rosie stated she was born homosexual. She said that no one would choose that lifestyle for it is laden with too much anguish; in other words, anyone in her right mind would choose heterosexual.
Back to the debate: I side with those who conclude that a person is born homosexual. And that does no disservice to God.
If one reads Genesis' first chapters, these verses state that when God created all things planetary, all was good. But there was a snake in the garden. Eve yielded to the snake's lure. Then Adam. And so both sphere and soul fell, that is, both became severely damaged due to mortals’ disobedience.
That damage impregnates everything, including the sexual nature of male and female.
In the heterosexual, not all is well, for sure. For instance, there is always the striving to return to marital paradise between heterosexual husband and wife. Sometimes it works; sometimes it doesn't.
In the 'original sin' damage dealt to a spiritually fallen world, some mortals are thereby conceived with a homosexual bent--plain and simple. They grow up with that bent. At puberty they sense it come to the fore. As adolescence progresses, it becomes more pronounced.
Most deal with the latter realization with as many emotions as there are homosexuals--confusion, angst, denial, anger, depression, fear, faithlessness, and so forth.
Some 'out' with it; the vast majority live with the secret.
However, if one can understand biblical truth, one can begin to grapple with the spiritual aspect of the situation so as not to blame God. The snake is the one to blame—along with our first parents.
Eve and Adam went for snake's bait. All humans sadly have paid the awful personal price ever since, some being dealt another-than-heterosexual bent.
Bottom-lines according to the Bible:
Homosexual orientation is not a sin.
Homosexual practice is a sin.
Heterosexual practice outside of marriage is a sin.
Therefore, both homosexual and single heterosexual believers call upon the Holy Spirit’s fruit of discipline to live the victorious spiritual life.
by his own words. . .yes.
If that's true, then it could be considered a sort of birth defect.
Birth defects like cleft palate can be cured.
Many ex-homosexuals say that they have been cured and are no longer homosexual.
Does Rosie support the efforts of people who try to cure homosexuals and save them from their anguish? If not why not?
the post states that active homosexuality is sin.
the post does not encourage practicing homosexuality.
did you read the post carefully?
there is nothing in the bible that would conclude that mortals are not born with the homosexual tendency. in fact, as the article posits, the homosexual tendency can very well be a result of ‘the fall.’ much is off kilter in this existence due to ‘the fall,’ including sexuality.
They can justify it Biblically (through perversion of Biblical rendering), socially and psychologically all they care to, it is still wrong and unnatural.
i don’t know how to answer for rosie per your question for her.
i know that there are homosexuals who claim a divine healing.
there are also some among that number who retracted their testimony of healing.
there are others who are remaining adamant in their testimony of a complete healing.
still, there are many who question the fact / truth / integrity of those testimonies.
you have your right to your conclusion.
there are those dedicated biblical, evangelical christians who disagree with you just as honestly.
OK … go with that thought.
I think it says a lot about homosexuals who shake their head and say "I don't believe you. You're lying. I'm not listening."
If it is a lifestyle, then people choose that lifestyle.
If you are born that way, have a chance to be cured, yet refuse to reach for that chance, then you choose to continue as a homosexual.
No matter how you slice it, these people are choosing badly.
this has been common knowledge since at least the Thornbirds
Well, I have always thought he was handsome.
And I thought that he was turned off by Barbara Stanwyck simply because of her old age... ;-)
i think what we as evangelical, biblical, conservative, committed-to-the-bible-as-divine-revelation believers need to remember is that sexuality is complicated.
those who are heterosexual have their complexities—not all that easy to deal with.
those who are homosexual may have chosen that ‘along life’s way’ or they may have been born with that tendency due to ‘the fall.’
in any case, all may be saved by christ’s grace.
those who are unmarried heterosexual are expected to remain celibate.
those who are homosexual are expected to remain celibate.
the only active sexual activity the bible permits morally is that within the bond of marriage.
obviously many agree, of both genders.
and for those in hollywood it was known long prior to the thornbirds, that is, according to his autobiography.
Although I find it distasteful, if a man somehow feels compelled to wear pink sweaters, work as an interior decorator and say that every good thing is "Fabulous!", I can't condemn that behavior. It is not sinful.
However, if that man engages in sex with other men, is an activist for homosexual marriage, or argues that there's nothing wrong with homosexual acts, then we have a problem. These are sins. They are bad choices. Human Nature is flawed, and we all have our struggles. A man (or woman) who gives in to homosexual urges is making a mistake and both Church and State ought to completely condemn the commission of these mistakes.
I remember back in the 70’s, they were doing research about, I think they called it “imprinting”. Anyway, the posit was that whatever your first, or first of several, pleasurable encounters were would “imprint” your sexual response. For some people that I knew back then, it was like turning on a light switch. I guess all reasonable research has been abandoned.
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