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Statement of Apology from former Exodus Leaders
Beyond Ex-gay ^ | June 27, 2007 | Darlene Bogle, Michael Bussee, Jeremy Marks

Posted on 06/28/2007 8:09:34 PM PDT by Salman

Edited on 06/28/2007 8:14:02 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

As former leaders of ex-gay ministries, we apologize to those individuals and families who believed our message that there is something inherently wrong with being gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender. Some who heard our message were compelled to try to change an integral part of themselves, bringing harm to themselves and their families. Although we acted in good faith, we have since witnessed the isolation, shame, fear, and loss of faith that this message creates. We apologize for our part in the message of broken truth we spoke on behalf of Exodus and other organizations.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: enemywithin; exexgay; exgays; exodusinternational; gramsci; homosexualagenda; psychology; sin
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To: lonestar67

I’m starting to think that the most hated human on the Earth is an ex-gay black conservative.


21 posted on 06/28/2007 8:41:50 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: lonestar67
Once you have acted on being gay you have entered into the eternal bliss and sanctity of the true choice.

Yuck!

22 posted on 06/28/2007 8:42:07 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Unfortunately for many of them; death, depression, and self destruction has a powerful attraction.

I have never seen any evidence that being gay or straight is a choice. If I did it would make it a lot easier for me to argue against all this "gay rights" crap.

23 posted on 06/28/2007 8:43:06 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer)
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To: Darkwolf377

Yes, we are all religious— aren’t we?


24 posted on 06/28/2007 8:43:34 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: Salman
Oh, former Exodus leaders.
25 posted on 06/28/2007 8:44:39 PM PDT by skr (Car bombs and IEDs are the exclamation marks for the latest Democrats' talking points.)
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To: Last Dakotan

probably right.


26 posted on 06/28/2007 8:44:40 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Many people have reported near miraculous deliverances from the presence of the desire, but a more common experience is a slow relearning. Both are valid. Gay is a crutch.


27 posted on 06/28/2007 8:46:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: lonestar67

I forgot to add that he has to be a Christian too.


28 posted on 06/28/2007 8:47:01 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Darkwolf377
So what else can a person not repent of? Is ex-thief in your list of possibles? And were they born a thief and so couldn't help themselves?

It is interesting how anyone can see the evidence of anatomy and physiology and conclude that a person "is" whatever contrary thing his own warped mind desires. Thinking a thing doesn't make it so. And you do no one any favors by helping them deny reality.

29 posted on 06/28/2007 8:47:06 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Last Dakotan

Who started his own business after serving in the Marines....


30 posted on 06/28/2007 8:47:34 PM PDT by Will_Zurmacht
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To: Salman
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. I Cor. 6:9-11
31 posted on 06/28/2007 8:47:43 PM PDT by DrewsDad (PIERCE the EARMARKS)
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To: Darkwolf377

Yea. How can you have “ex-gay” if there really is no such thing as “gay” to begin with.


32 posted on 06/28/2007 8:51:22 PM PDT by GulfBreeze
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To: Darkwolf377

I’ve always thought that being gay was like being an alcoholic.

You might not be able to ever rid yourself of the inclination, but you can resolve to never take another drink. If you’re gay, you might always have that inclination, but you can live a chaste life.


33 posted on 06/28/2007 8:53:53 PM PDT by guinnessman
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
So what else can a person not repent of? Is ex-thief in your list of possibles? And were they born a thief and so couldn't help themselves?

That you can't see the difference between REPENTING actions and ignoring physical urges (which are not the same as engaging in homosexual acts) says all that needs to be said about this ridiculous "ex-gay" foolishness.

34 posted on 06/28/2007 8:54:14 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer)
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To: GulfBreeze
Yea. How can you have “ex-gay” if there really is no such thing as “gay” to begin with.

Exactly--aren't gays always telling us there's nothing different about their status? So how can you "unbecome" something that is supposedly a mere misunderstanding between straights and gays, which don't exist...

The logic of gays and ex-gays is hilarious.

35 posted on 06/28/2007 8:55:37 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer)
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To: guinnessman
I’ve always thought that being gay was like being an alcoholic. You might not be able to ever rid yourself of the inclination, but you can resolve to never take another drink. If you’re gay, you might always have that inclination, but you can live a chaste life.

Thank you for bringing some sanity to this thread.

36 posted on 06/28/2007 8:56:12 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer)
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To: gcruse

homosexual is a description of behaviours and activities, not of a state of being.

It is like saying someone is a “shirt wearer”. It is silly. People where shirts or they don’t. Wearing shirts is not a state of being.

Sexual arousal is a response to stimuli both suggested and initiated for that matter. Stroke a penis enough and it will ejaculate. Stimulate the female genitalia correctly and it will initiate an orgasmic wave in the body of a women.

There is no “orientation”. There may be preferences about who one is rolling around with but there is no orientation... except innies and outies.


37 posted on 06/28/2007 8:56:13 PM PDT by GulfBreeze
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To: lonestar67
Yes, we are all religious— aren’t we?

Uhhh...welll...

Great tagline, btw.

38 posted on 06/28/2007 8:57:03 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Bostonian, atheist, prolifer)
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To: GulfBreeze

” not of a state of being.’

Actually, it is the state of being arousable by the same sex and not the opposite sex. It’s not a preference, it’s a response.


39 posted on 06/28/2007 9:00:08 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: Darkwolf377

Not magic, but perhaps the working of God in someone’s heart. What’s the issue with that? If God can raise Jesus from the dead, what’s the big deal about His changing the way someone thinks?


40 posted on 06/28/2007 9:05:50 PM PDT by rudy45
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