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The party will either go into the 21st century and win elections, or it will refuse to modernize and continue to lose. I hope party leaders have the foresight to realize that opposing modernity is a losing strategy.
1 posted on 06/11/2007 2:09:24 PM PDT by Alter Kaker
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The party will either go into the 21st century and win elections, or it will refuse to modernize and continue to lose.

Utter balderdash

The party is losing because it has abandoned the core conservative principles and is currently corrupt. The party will win again when it figuires out how to be conservative again

So, I'm not a modern man because I don't believe in evolution?

Given the choice between believing a theory that I evolved from a lower life form over millions of years or I was created in the likeness of a loving all powerful creator.

It's a simple choice.

46 posted on 06/11/2007 2:34:51 PM PDT by Popman (I removed my Bushbot brain chip after he didn't veto the McCain Feingold election anti freedom bill)
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The data indicate some seeming confusion on the part of Americans on this issue. About a quarter of Americans say they believe both in evolution's explanation that humans evolved over millions of years and in the creationist explanation that humans were created as is about 10,000 years ago.

I don't care what you believe...that is hilarious.
47 posted on 06/11/2007 2:35:02 PM PDT by newguy357
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Gallup would really be shocked to hear how many people doubt the theory of man made global warming...


48 posted on 06/11/2007 2:35:09 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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As a Christian (preacher’s son) and a conservative I have no problem with Evolution per say, I would only ad the caveat that I believe in directed evolution.

Anyone attempting to read Genesis as a literal word for word exact transpiring of events must some how reconcile Revelations as also being literal when clearly it uses alliteration to explain future events.

I can not understand why some Christians seem to understand parables and mans trouble interpreting witnessed events of God’s awesome power and yet somehow believe that Genesis HAS to be taken as the literal truth and not mans understanding of what God told him, told in a way that a man at that time period could and would understand.

Do we as Christians interpret theses passages as the literal truth or only one mans ability to attempt to describe what God had revealed to him:

II Kings 2:11 “And it came to pass, as they still went on talked, that, behold, there appeared a CHARIOT OF FIRE, and HORSES OF FIRE, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Ezekiel 1:19 “And when the living creatures went, the
wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.”.


51 posted on 06/11/2007 2:36:13 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
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To: Alter Kaker
I hope party leaders have the foresight to realize that opposing modernity is a losing strategy.

You mean like the strategy we used in the last election? You are the problem not the solution.

52 posted on 06/11/2007 2:36:25 PM PDT by itsahoot (The GOP did nothing about immigration, immigration did something about the GOP (As Predicted))
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The ignorance of these secular pollsters is, as they put it, fascinating. It's pretty obvious from the writeup that the author(s) looks upon Christians as animals that have yet to evolve to his level. Too bad it's not worth his time to actually learn anything about our primitive beliefs before running off and asking questions.

It is a basic tenet of Christianity that God created the world and Man.

If you present a Christian with a choice between limiting God to a role as "guiding hand" versus a choice specifically mentioning "creation", you are going to drive a lot of people to answer "creation", even if they would, in general, disagree with the 10,000 year silliness.

53 posted on 06/11/2007 2:36:49 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (Romney : "not really trying to define what is technically amnesty. I'll let the lawyers decide.")
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Care to waste your time playing the flute again?
62 posted on 06/11/2007 2:40:41 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Pray for the deliberately ignorant.)
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All articles written about evolution always come from the perspective of ...”how stupid, all these people still don’t believe in evolution...what is wrong with them”. But the truth is there is no evidence that proves the “theory” of evolution. The person who put forth the theory of evolution thought Blacks were an inferior offshoot or animalistic race.

I personally believe in “adaptation”, not evolution. I don’t think we evolved from a single cell. I think we were a planned creation that has adapted to our surroundings. And for all of the holier-than-thou evolutionists to say they are right, when they openly admit they cannot prove this, is all about egotism. Them being smarter than anyone else. Just because the Libs and the schools have “taught” evolution for decades doesn’t mean it’s true.

The “fact” that blacks were inferior, not human, was taught for hundreds of years. Didn’t mean it was true. So, evolutionists, I think it’s adaptation, prove me wrong. You can’t.


72 posted on 06/11/2007 2:46:54 PM PDT by dannyboy72 (How long will you hold onto the rope when Liberals pull us off the cliff?)
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"The party will either go into the 21st century and win elections, or it will refuse to modernize and continue to lose. I hope party leaders have the foresight to realize that opposing modernity is a losing strategy."

Well the last time I looked, we were already in the 21st century.

The other last time that I looked the same sort of nonsense was spewed out by dictators such as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao as well as others.

Please do not feel offended if I say here that because you subscribe to a particular theology, you should not expect others to adhere to similar beliefs just because all of the other kids are doing it.

Evolution is fascinating stuff, and I have read lots on the matter.

I also read a lot of Spiderman & Superman comic books when I was a child. That don't make them real.

There are a lot of problems with TOE, but you likely won't hear them being mentioned by members of the cabal that you either are a part of, or aspire to be.

Meanwhile, back at your initial rant, clearly the "Darwinists" side of the Republican Party are prepared to do a whole lot of losing if they are insisting on continuing with disrespecting the true 'base' of the Republican Party, and that is a lot more losing than I am willing to put up with.

86 posted on 06/11/2007 2:56:37 PM PDT by Radix (Claim 10 dependents on your W-2 and have the Gov't struggle to make ends meet.)
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I don’t believe in polls either, especially the pollaganda kind designed to shape an agenda.

Does that make me ‘anti-science’? :-)


87 posted on 06/11/2007 2:57:23 PM PDT by WOSG (Stop Illegal Immigration. Call your Senator today. Senate Switchboard at 202-224-3121.))
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It would be interesting to correlate the acceptance of evolution with supporters of comprehensive immigration reform among active Freepers. It seems as if many ex-Freepers who are genuine scientists and those who support immigration reform have both been driven from FR.

I suppose it's another demonstration that all civilizations eventually fall to the hands of unthinking superstitious mobs. America truly is in decline.

92 posted on 06/11/2007 2:58:44 PM PDT by narby
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Another poll designed to paint Reps as a bunch of extremists and nuts. I agree with you that it is not helpful to us.


95 posted on 06/11/2007 3:00:36 PM PDT by kabar
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I do not believe in Gallup polls!


101 posted on 06/11/2007 3:04:59 PM PDT by Roccus (People seldom do what they believe in. They do what is convenient....then repent.)
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It’s only a theory. What the hell does it matter what is believed? Discussing how many days did God take to create the universe! What a crock. The GOP needs this like double vision.
114 posted on 06/11/2007 3:10:26 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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>>The party will either go into the 21st century and win elections, or it will refuse to modernize and continue to lose. I hope party leaders have the foresight to realize that opposing modernity is a losing strategy.<<

One thing is that wise nations don’t vote on technical things.

The space shuttle had a gash but they launched anyway - you don’t vote on that sort of thing or which parts to use in a new plane or hurricane predictions etc. And voting on evolution is fine but it says more about the media and society than about science.

The problem with the government is similar to the problem with academics, a lingering feeling that we’ve put the wrong people in charge rather than a desire to make the decisions of academics or daily governance by polls.

Things are already screwed up well before a school board votes on evolution - and they would see that if suddenly there was a move to vote on alternatives to electricity theory or engineering.

Actually they probably wouldn’t see.


116 posted on 06/11/2007 3:10:35 PM PDT by gondramB (Do not do to others as you would not wish done to yourself. Thus no murmuring will rise against you.)
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...even among non-Republicans there appears to be a significant minority who doubt that evolution adequately explains where humans came from.

I have found that even among people who believe evolution's premise of species changing over time (for whatever reason) there are many who do not believe evolution alone explains life on earth and the splendor of the universe.

This particular poll seems to bear that out.

117 posted on 06/11/2007 3:10:44 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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Less than 1/3 of americans believe that evolution is fact. To win elections, if this issue is important, to understand that evolution is fantasy is a decided advantage.


123 posted on 06/11/2007 3:13:00 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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This article will be useful to understand why Republicans are MORE MAINSTREAM in this issue than we give them credit for :

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/darwinism-intelligent-design-and-popular-culture-the-10000-year-talking-point/


Yeah, the show’s back in town. And with most of the original cast, too.

I mean the poll, recently reported by USA Today, that shows that 66% of Americans think that the statement, “Creationism, that is, the idea that God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years” is definitely or probably true.

This is wonderful poll question for people who believe that Uncle Sam’s alter ego is Santa Claus. I wonder how much public money Darwin lobbies in high science will screw out of US taxpayers in order to try to change their minds - with about as much success as they have had in the past - zilch.

As I pointed out in By Design or by Chance?, the human history that most people would recognize is certainly less than 10,000 years old. Ur of the Chaldees, the city Abraham left in order to wander in the desert, is about 6500 years old. The Great Pyramid is only about 4500 years old. Apart from wordless outliers like the Willendorf Venus and the Cave of Lascaux, we have only the empty speculations of “evolutionary psychology” for the vast stretches of time before then. So real history is relatively recent.

And that is a significant fact. Something happened to human beings relatively recently (less than ten thousand years ago) that did not happen to lemurs, toads, or ants. And it is a mark of the enormously heavy investment that the American materialist elite has made in materialism that it is at such pains to try to convince everyone else of its peculiar delusion that nothing really happened.

To see what is at stake here, consider the following three propositions:

1. Five million years ago, your ancestors were lemur-like creatures screaming in the trees.

2. You are about 60% water.

3. Your DNA is 98% identical to that of a chimpanzee.

All sensible humans who are not materialists will respond to any one of these propositions, “So?”

Now, any one of them may happen not to be true. For example, because I am a woman, I am more likely to be about 50% water (because fat binds less water than muscle does, and women store proportionately more fat).

But either way, half of me is the same stuff as Lake Ontario. But what does that mean? It means you can replicate that half by pouring yourself a glass of water. So that’s the half you don’t need to bother about.

Similarly, the fact that our ancestors may have screamed in the trees millions of years ago is actually of vastly less significance than the events of the last ten thousand years. Just as the similarities of our DNA with that of chimpanzees mainly tells you that most of what you need to know about a human being is not in the DNA.

The real reason that most Americans simply don’t go along with elite opinion about the origin of human beings is that they are relatively freer than other peoples to dissent from their elite, and they know - as any sensible person who thinks about the matter must know - that the materialist view of human beings is nonsense. And they rightly reject everything connected with it.

Something did happen less than ten thousand years ago that forever separated us from Lake Ontario and from whatever screams in the trees. And I think the solid 66% on the poll question are trying to say that, even though they are forced to fund the propagandists of the elite through their taxes.


124 posted on 06/11/2007 3:13:26 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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Notice every other story in the media is a "Republican Rift" story. Abortion. Gay marriage. Anythig to divide and conquer. Where are the stories about where we are unflinchingly unified: Tax cuts, reducing gov't etc.?

Also, I have noticed that your tin horn only squeeks out this one note. What is it that is so existentially threatening to you about people who believe that your great X 20 grandpappy wasn't the monkey you know him to have been?

126 posted on 06/11/2007 3:14:34 PM PDT by RedQuill
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Dude, majority of human beings alive today don’t believe this crap, as they don’t believe that there is no difference between men and women and that pederasty (what you politically corrected folks like to call ‘gaiety’) is perfectly normal, so there!


128 posted on 06/11/2007 3:15:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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