Posted on 06/03/2007 1:07:14 PM PDT by RKV
LAST February, Jim Zumbo, a burly, 66-year-old outdoors writer, got a phone call at his home near Cody, Wyo., from the rock star — and outspoken Second Amendment champion — Ted Nugent. “You messed up, man,” Mr. Zumbo says Mr. Nugent told him. “Big time.”
Leland A. Nichols, left, an executive at Smith & Wesson in Springfield, Mass., and John Kapusta, an engineering manager, with an M&P 15 rifle. Such rifles have been crucial to the company’s turnaround plans.
Two days earlier, Mr. Zumbo, a leading hunting journalist, outraged Mr. Nugent and many other gun owners when he suggested in a blog post that increasingly popular semiautomatic guns known as “black rifles” be banned from hunting. Mr. Zumbo, stunned that hunters were using the rifles for sport, also suggested giving the guns, prized for their matte black metal finishes, molded plastic parts and combat-ready looks, a new name: “terrorist rifles.”
Gun enthusiasts’ backlash against Mr. Zumbo was swift. He parted company with his employer, Outdoor Life magazine. Mr. Zumbo says on his Web site that he was “terminated”; the magazine says that it and Mr. Zumbo agreed that he would resign.
But a week after hearing from Mr. Nugent, who has a devoted following among gun owners, Mr. Zumbo visited him in Waco, Tex., to make amends. For his part, Mr. Nugent was prepared to give Mr. Zumbo a lesson on the utility and ubiquity of black rifles.
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“It’s highly unlikely that any legislation to move an assault weapons ban is going to happen,” says Kristen Rand, legislative director at the Violence Policy Center, a gun-control lobbying group. “That’s the sad reality on the Hill right now.”
ONLY IF WE KEEP THE POLITICIANS FEET TO THE FIRE BOYS
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Thanks for posting. The second article was particularly interesting. 50 year old design still going strong. Personally, I think the 6.8 Grendel upgrade is the way to go. BUT, I’m not getting the opportunity to make that decision.
Peep, garand style for a stock M1A.............KISS principal for a battle rifle. No rail on mine, even the one I carried active duty. Simple tool ! Less to go wrong under duress’n stress !
I’ve got a sort of a cop firearm training video which goes into some of the differences between common/normal firearm categories. One thing they mention is that cops and govt. agents dealing with terrorists frequently end up having to try to shoot them through car doors as they try to escape and that of all the firearm ammo which is normal or common, the first thing which will PREDICTABLY go through a car door and then either kill or seriously injure somebody behind it is the 308. Apparently a 223 won’t do that predictably and neither will a 44 magnum.
The Navy still has piles of M-14s. That’s all I ever shot. The boarding parties use M-4s but for ship and pier watches it’s M-14s.
You mentioned the KISS concept before. One reason I leave my Colt AR as is, works fine.
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I want to hear more about the piston operated upper. I agree though, a larger caliber could only help.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire, eh? There a LOT of depends, so it makes no sense to be arbitrary. As we learned in the early days of MANY service rifle programs - manufacturing makes a difference too, it ain’t just design and theory.
Ah, and the being said, the AR/M16 as evolved is a pretty damn good platform, it would seem.
It’s been added, but not for CQB.
“Designated Marksmen” often carry the M14, but the primary infantry weapon is still the M4/M16.
I can tell your from trial and err shooting that a 5.56mm FMJ will usually go through a car door. If it hits two or more “heavier†pieces chances are it won’y. A 308 will almost always go through but i have had some fail if they are off angle. A 44 - haven’t tried that but I suspect it could be stopped by the heavier stuff.
That’s what I thought but I know a guy who got the job of running down as many as he could find out of the US.
Agree !!!
“The Navy still has piles of M-14s. That’s all I ever shot. The boarding parties use M-4s but for ship and pier watches it’s M-14s.”
Back in the Vietnam era my destroyer had 03A3 Springfields, Thompson .45 submachine guns (commercial type, blued, nicely machined), BAR’s,Johnson semi-automatic rifles that I have never seen since, and Garands. No AR-15’s, Our ammo was in wooden cases, some dated 1944.
Nice to know they still lag by 40 years.
That sounds about right. We were the last to get rid of the M1911s and switch to 9mm too.
My era was 72-96, EOD, we used the M1A and 1911A1’s........Once found a bunch of old Thompsons in the ceiling of the EOD Shop on Guam. They were there just in case I am sure.......:o)
I think they are still.........there........just in case !
I have no idea. I find it hard to believe he is sincere. Who knows?
Just bringing it out for discussion.
“My era was 72-96, EOD, we used the M1A and 1911A1’s........”
Those would’ve been M14 rifles, not M1As. Subtle difference to anyone but the BATF. ;)
My battalion was one of the ones that built the EOD Road project in the Naval Magazine back in the early 80s. I remember one EOD guy showing us a nice BAR one day. :)
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