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Calif. gun bill leads the way (barf alert)
Denver Post ^ | 01 june 07

Posted on 06/01/2007 10:08:10 AM PDT by rellimpank

The California state Assembly Tuesday voted to require all new semi-automatic pistols sold in the state to automatically stamp information on shell casings that could help police track down violent criminals.

The California measure, which still has to pass the state Senate, marks an intriguing new development in the war against crime because, unlike some gun-control measures, it doesn't restrict law-abiding citizens' ability to own or carry firearms. Instead, the measure would require that all new semi-automatic pistols sold in California after 2010 contain a microscopic laser etching that will stamp the gun's make, model and serial number on at least two places on the shell casing of a bullet every time the weapon is fired

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To: Spktyr

Big, big secret to speed loading the revolver.

Don’t catch the casings.

Hardest thing to teach yourself. Throw the boom, push the plunger, let em drop.

You have no idea how many people reflexively catch those stupid things.

If you train properly, you can be ejecting your shells while lining up your new clip.

Complicated, sure.

But then I never have to deal with a stove pipe or a no-load either.


61 posted on 06/01/2007 11:12:02 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: rellimpank

so I guess you could leave someone elses shell casings around at the scene of a crime and let them take the blame


62 posted on 06/01/2007 11:14:37 AM PDT by sfvgto (is Marion Barry a democrat?)
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To: Spktyr
Many drive-by shooters are using illegally imported automatic weapons (those that aren’t stolen-and-illegally-converted. And, on top of that, they’ve taken to firing from inside the car, so the brass doesn’t leave the vehicle.

Please post some articles where AUTOMATIC weapons were used.

63 posted on 06/01/2007 11:16:41 AM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: Al Gator

....wtf?

People actually try to catch the casings???? I’ve never seen anyone try to do that, not even at the range.

As for me, give me an automatic with a big magazine. I’ve seen revolvers FTE on the range, too - and the clearance drill for a jammed auto is a lot faster than trying to get a stuck casing out of the cylinder on a revolver.

Of course, the best option (IMHO) is the “New York Reload”.


64 posted on 06/01/2007 11:16:48 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Hazcat

As a former LA resident who witnessed several such incidents, they were using illegal full-auto weapons.

It’s impossible to post articles on such because to the LA Times, *all* weapons are full-auto assault weapons.


65 posted on 06/01/2007 11:18:19 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

As to the combat situation.

I was taught that your side arm was not an offensive weapon that you took on an army with.

But then again, I wasn’t in the situation that the boys are in in Iraq and Afgan. Different kind of war I guess.

If I was even 10 years younger, I know where I’d be today, and it ain’t here.


66 posted on 06/01/2007 11:19:10 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: Al Gator

Riots happen in American cities, too - and then you have similar problems.


67 posted on 06/01/2007 11:21:24 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

“People actually try to catch the casings???? I’ve never seen anyone try to do that, not even at the range.”

Oh yea, I have to look it up, old hat now. The FBI listed real situations where cops got shot and killed and were found with a hand full of casings.

I know that every once in a while you will see some one do just that. Its something you have to train yourself out of.

True stuff! Hard to believe, but true.


68 posted on 06/01/2007 11:22:38 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: domenad
Someone explain to me what’s wrong with this legislation

This bill has nothing at all to do with crime reduction. Only the truly ignorant will expect that this crime reducing measure will in any way achieve that. It has everything to do with making gun ownership more expensive and more difficult for responsible, law abiding gun owners and the real bonus is that it gives so called 'law enforcement' another excuse to confiscate guns and make criminals out of citizens thereby preventing them from owning guns legally again. All part of the master plan to disarm all citizens being carried out by those that know exactly what they are doing and their ignorant tools that think they are actually accomplishing something good.

69 posted on 06/01/2007 11:22:42 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Al Gator

That had to be a *long* time ago....


70 posted on 06/01/2007 11:24:50 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Al Gator

Of course, I can see it - the police range master telling them to catch their brass so it’s not on the ground on the range...

Goes to show that you fight like you train.


71 posted on 06/01/2007 11:26:02 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: rellimpank
California leads the way...in illegals, AIDS, tree huggers, and mobocracy (aka rule by referendum).

The real leader in idiotic gun laws is New York, which has been in violation of basic civil rights via the Sullivan Laws since 1921.

72 posted on 06/01/2007 11:26:57 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Spktyr
Many drive-by shooters are using illegally imported automatic weapons (those that aren’t stolen-and-illegally-converted. And, on top of that, they’ve taken to firing from inside the car, so the brass doesn’t leave the vehicle.

Good Lord, now just look for the deaf gang bangers as primo suspects.

73 posted on 06/01/2007 11:28:09 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: Al Gator

74 posted on 06/01/2007 11:28:16 AM PDT by keat (You know who I feel bad for? Arab-Americans who truly want to get into crop-dusting.)
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To: Spktyr

It was back when the whole Dirty Harry thing with the .357 and .44mag craze. Right before everyone went to semis.

The speed loader itself was a problem. You had to train yourself to drop the stupid thing after twisting the release. And that’s hard to do when you have to pay for them.

Being proficient with a revolver is an artform. Anyone can hang with a semi.

Ooopps did it again, standing by fora new blast of flame.


75 posted on 06/01/2007 11:29:12 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: umgud

Yes no doubt to remove the chamber engraving will be legally the same as filing off the s/n.


76 posted on 06/01/2007 11:29:35 AM PDT by Sender ("America is at that awkward stage..." - Claire Wolfe)
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To: Spktyr
What do you do in combat when there’s more than three (if you have to double tap) or more than six (if you’re a pistol god who sleeps with Lady Luck to be able to put a man down with one shot every time)?

Carry two revolovers and speed loaders.

77 posted on 06/01/2007 11:31:38 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: keat

HEHEHE, I just love how smart politicians are.

How much does that bag cost? Five bux? Less?

Oops, there goes THAT plan.


78 posted on 06/01/2007 11:31:47 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: Centurion2000
What do you do in combat when there’s more than three (if you have to double tap) or more than six (if you’re a pistol god who sleeps with Lady Luck to be able to put a man down with one shot every time)? Carry two revolovers and speed loaders.

This guy doesn't need to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DpCellB_UQ

79 posted on 06/01/2007 11:35:50 AM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: Spktyr
As a former LA resident who witnessed several such incidents, they were using illegal full-auto weapons. It’s impossible to post articles on such because to the LA Times, *all* weapons are full-auto assault weapons.

I'll take your word for it but I never hear of them.

80 posted on 06/01/2007 11:37:26 AM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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