Giuliani as the GOP presidential nominee would be a dagger in the heart of the conservative movement

(From a thread) | Credit to Spiff for the chart and flashbunny for the grapics

[Jim Robinson]

Giuliani as the GOP presidential nominee would be a dagger in the heart of the conservative movement (and a knife in the back).

The only difference in a Liberal Rudy Giuliani and Liberal Hillary Clinton is the fact of which bathrooms they select to use and there are some who are willing to even question that.

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	SupportsOpposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

[streetpreacher]

Fred Thompson is not Duncan Hunter...

But he could play him in a movie.

[upsdriver]

Ha!! I don’t have a camera cord!! I am off the hook!! But I am missing the cable to hook up my printer, so if you find it, I would like that back!!:)

[AuntB]

If they overstay their visa, they are not legal... Are you against legal immigration?

If they overstay their visa, they weren't good applicants in the first place.

I'm all for 'legal' immigration, if it had any oversight. USCIS admits to approving thousands of applications they they didn't review the files on, because they can't find them! And this is the agency you want to oversee MORE 'legal' immigration. Good applicants are tortured through our system for years. Our immigration system needs a giant enema.

[Prokopton]

Fred Thompson is not Duncan Hunter... But he could play him in a movie.

The differences between them are real, but both are conservative. I support Hunter now, but he has been campaigning for awhile and hasn't gained much traction. He also has never mounted more than a local campaign. If Thompson enters the field, I will do everything I can to support him. He already is way ahead of Hunter without even being a candidate. Thompson will be the conservative candidate with the best chance to win. Whether we like it or not, presidential campaigning is media driven. A candidate has to be able to convince Americans with impressions they leave from 30 second commercials and sound bites. Because of his professional background, Thompson knows how to give the right impression before a microphone or camera. This is the only view of a candidate most voters will ever see.

We must get a conservative elected, liberals need not apply. Sorry, Rudy.

[b_sharp]

Before reading this important thread I had no idea Gouliani was such a foul, despicable person. It is important that you inform all of us who might generally be unaware of his vile unconservative actions the impact his left leaning, anti-family stance would have on the American soul.

By the way, if you have any openings for Moderator jobs, I’d be happy to help out.

[Designer II]

indylindy wrote: "..because the Murdocks really want Hillary to win?"

A fair guess would be; they don't much care, except that their candidate would have to be "maleable". For them.

[Designer II]

"AZR is no longer here."

I see that now. Sorry.

It takes a while to read through the whole thread.

[dforest]

A fair guess would be; they don't much care, except that their candidate would have to be "maleable". For them.

Murdocks and Soros. None of them natural born Americans. Geesh, you have a point.

[Anita1]

Thompson voted for: Thompson voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work

You said: “I see no problem with that.”
well - you come from Seattle - I see! That explains it!

In first place - LEGAL immigrants might just want those jobs and MORE foreign workers might just take it from the legal immigrants!

And - second -

Try dialoging with people who are on border states that have to handle the overflow of illegals in the hospitals and school systems!

You might feel differently if you had those problems of jobs being taken away from the legal Mexican work force, over-crowded schools, and over-taxed hospitals - (that’s where the illegal’s primary care doctors are!)

[Politicalmom]

Uh-the foreign workers would be LEGAL!!

You make no sense.

*Opinion of a born and raised Californian*

[Not A Snowbird]

Thompson voted YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work

Allowing more foreign workers does not equal allowing more illegal foreign workers. I have no problem with farm workers coming in here on valid Visas established for that purpose.

Being from Seattle is irrelevant. I grew up in California and lived in Southern Orange County for twelve years.

[finnman69]

This is quite a bit of oppositon research for the Democrats to sue here when Rudy wins the nod.

[Gumlegs]

WTF?

[streetpreacher]

Yeah, I’m supporting Thompson as well but still like Hunter. I just thought it was a good one-liner.

[RWR8189]

My refusing to vote for Guilianni is not a vote for Hillary or anyone else

In the general election, it would be.  You can spin it or justify it in your head any which way you want, but its the truth.

If the three candidates on the ballot are Rudy Giuliani, Hillary Clinton, and Constitution Party guy who cries because he can't get into the debates, and you vote for anyone besides the GOP nominee you are giving implicit support to Hillary and possibly allowing a third Clinton presidency without 50% of the vote.

Seeing as your profile says you are from North Dakota you can do whatever you want to make a statement, as I have no doubt the GOP nominee will carry the state, but someone who shares your views in states like FL, OH, PA et al could be disastrous to our nation's future.

[flashbunny]

“In the general election, it would be. You can spin it or justify it in your head any which way you want, but its the truth.”

No more fuzzy math.

Zero is not equal to one.

If you refuse to vote for rudy, it isn’t a vote for hillary.

[flashbunny]

“This is quite a bit of oppositon research for the Democrats to sue here when Rudy wins the nod.”

like they wouldn’t do it anyway.

And this is all freely available to anyone who would be doing opposition research. Those doing it professionally would be able to find more, faster.

Better to get it out now so we can avoid making the mistake of nominating rudy, than have it all come out during the general election when we’ve hitched our star to a gun grabbing , abortion supporting, illegal alien loving NY liberal with an (R) next to his name.

[b_sharp]

"WTF?"

What do you mean WTF? I'm simply making a point that some people do not deserve support, of any kind.

[Beagle8U]

“Better to get it out now so we can avoid making the mistake of nominating rudy, than have it all come out during the general election when we’ve hitched our star to a gun grabbing , abortion supporting, illegal alien loving NY liberal with an (R) next to his name.”

Bingo! I want him crushed and humiliated so bad that he drops out.

Make him such a loser that nobody would ever donate another dime to a liberal Republican running for POTUS.

There is tons of dirt and scandal available to anyone on Rooty. I have gobs of it book marked.

[RWR8189]

It all depends on the particular dynamics of a specific race, but in an especially close election if there is a “true conservative” third party candidate taking 3-5% of the vote or more and Hillary and Rudy are in a statistical dead heat, in a pivitol state(s), then it can be reasonably deduced that if our “true conservative” friend were not in the race a large enough percentage of his supporters would otherwise vote Rudy and put him over the top.

In this scenario a third party candidate getting moderate support = Hillary presidency.

Like I said, justify it in your mind any way you wish, and we can both hope it never comes down to it, but that’s just the way it works.