Giuliani as the GOP presidential nominee would be a dagger in the heart of the conservative movement

(From a thread) | Credit to Spiff for the chart and flashbunny for the grapics

[Jim Robinson]

Giuliani as the GOP presidential nominee would be a dagger in the heart of the conservative movement (and a knife in the back).

The only difference in a Liberal Rudy Giuliani and Liberal Hillary Clinton is the fact of which bathrooms they select to use and there are some who are willing to even question that.

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	SupportsOpposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

And you can bet that Rudy will blame “the far right” when he announces his withdrawal from the race. The people who are supporting him are your garden variety GOP activists and others who only know Rudy through 9/11.

[stockstrader]

Will the Reagan revolution continue, or will it be relegated to an anomaly, and the GOP revert back to Rockefeller republicanism?

After the November elections, Chuckie Schumer proudly and gleefully exclaimed,

"THE REAGAN REVOLUTION IS DEAD"!!

When you look at how many 'so-called' Republicans (even on here) are willing to support a liberal, yes LIBERAL--like JulieAnnie--is there any doubt that what Chuckie said is true???

If you want the LIBERAL DREAMWORLD of TWO political parties,,,BOTH to the left-of-center,,,,

JulieAnnie is the RIGHT MAN,,,,at the RIGHT TIME..

[dforest]

And you can bet that Rudy will blame “the far right” when he announces his withdrawal from the race. The people who are supporting him are your garden variety GOP activists and others who only know Rudy through 9/11.

Yeah, Rooty will really "take it to us".

He will show us.

[wagglebee]

The people who are supporting him are your garden variety GOP activists and others who only know Rudy through 9/11.

As best I've been able to tell, most of the Rudy Rooters are liberals who started voting for the GOP because they didn't like the Clintons. They flock together on FR and validate each others views by declaring themselves conservatives.

[Condor51]

Woo-Hoo! And another liberal Rudy troll bites the dust.

[dforest]

As best I've been able to tell, most of the Rudy Rooters are liberals who started voting for the GOP because they didn't like the Clintons. They flock together on FR and validate each others views by declaring themselves conservatives.

Thats a good assessment. I not even sure they didn't like Bill Clinton, they seem to be more united in overall hate and fear of Hillary.

I can't stand the idea of her being the president, or even a candidate, but I think it is foolish and unwise for the GOP to try to run a guy who will insure her a victory by disenfranchising half the party.

A good strong conservative would really give people a clear reason to not vote for the beast and would invigorate the whole party.

[Beagle8U]

“Very true. His whole campaign so far, down to the lowest level, has been dishonest.”

IMHO a big part of the reason that Rudy gained any following at all here is because several of the Rudybots were very dishonest and had some of the moderate Republicans here duped into thinking all the information posted about him were lies from radicals.

They were successful in getting people to ignore all the facts and turn every thread into a flame war.

Then they would regroup, go to another thread and start over.
This made it impossible to have any honest debate about the facts of his record and positions on issues.

If a few of those that were using FR to promote Rudy had been Zotted 6 months ago I doubt we would be having this conversation today.

Perhaps now the facts can be presented without being countered by nothing but lies and worthless spin.

[dforest]

Then they would regroup, go to another thread and start over. This made it impossible to have any honest debate about the facts of his record and positions on issues.

I mentioned to one of them that it would be nice if they would respond to a serious post. Most of the time they would ignore that type.

The only way to get a response was say say something outrageous and wait for them to flame you

When you responded to the attack, you were the rude and insulting one. Rooty Fleas. Just keep smack...smacking them.

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

With all your vanities, I’m having a hard time finding the Anna Nicole Smith news. Can you please knock it off?

ROTFL ! ! !

Paging Howlin -- She'll be able to help you with important issues like that.

[upsdriver]

“Whoever is disgruntled enough by the eventual GOP nominee to vote third party in a swing state should do so knowing they are casting a vote for Hillary. And if they are ok with that, then I suppose we will all suffer the consequences.”

My refusing to vote for Guilianni is not a vote for Hillary or anyone else. That accusation is getting real tiring. How many different ways do we have to say it, that nominating Rudy would be a guaranteed loss in 08. He is just not acceptable a man to vote for no matter who he is running against. I refuse to even entertain the thought of him gaining the nomination. Find someone else.

[gonewt]

I refuse to even entertain the thought of him gaining the nomination.

Given his poll numbers at this time, you might want to "entertain" it.

I'm not arguing pro-Rudy. But if he wins the nomination you have to look carefully at the VERY REAL threat of "President Hillary." I've said it before & I'll say it again. I'd vote for a trained chimpanzee to keep Hillary out of the White House.

[upsdriver]

“No conservative of any stripe, true or not, should support Giuliani. His liberal candidacy would make the GOP and all it stands for a laughing stock. Conservatism would be disgraced. The conservative cause would be dead.”

That about sums it up. I would lose my political home. I have no idea what I would do then. It saddens me to even think of that prospect. And any hope we ever had to save babies from being aborted would go right out the window. I pray that this doesn’t happen.

[Spiff]

Actually, you're using a slightly older version of the chart. That's because B4Ranch is using a slightly outdated version in the posting he made in the long thread yesterday. Here's the most current version. The main thing that changed was Hillary Clinton's position on the War in Iraq. She's made a couple of statements and votes since I first made the chart that has altered her position a bit.

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Overturning Roe v. Wade	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Varies Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

[processing please hold]

Never give up, never surrender, never rudy.

[upsdriver]

“And you can bet that Rudy will blame “the far right” when he announces his withdrawal from the race. The people who are supporting him are your garden variety GOP activists and others who only know Rudy through 9/11.”

I don’t care who he blames, just having him pull out is good enough for me!! Those in the party who are supporting him are all doing so for their own selfish interests. They are not the movement conservatives but are looking for their own positions of power or money or both. So what if a few million more babies get slaughtered in the process.

[Spiff]

Giuliani would better serve America in New Orleans or Miami, but it’d take Conservatives at least a decade to over the damage Giuliani would inflict if he were put in Washington.

A decade!? Heck, it will probably take conservatives a decade to just recover from all the stuff that Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress did to use for the last 8 years. Giuliani would set back conservatism almost 3 decades. Giuliani with a Democrat-controlled Congress would probably kill modern conservatism.

[Spiff]

Lets face it, to sell Rudy one has to browbeat, skip over the parts of Rudys record, and become a disingenuous spinmeister.

You've misspelled "disingenuous spinmeister". The correct spelling is "Deroy Murdoch".

[upsdriver]

I won’t!

[BlackbirdSST]

Am I the first to say?, He’s dead Jim. Blackbird.

[dforest]

You've misspelled "disingenuous spinmeister". The correct spelling is "Deroy Murdoch".

You know, I mentioned to a Rudroid that Deroy's daddy Rupert has said he really liked Hillary and it is known that he has contributed to her.

So could it be that Deroy is pushing Rooty as the candidate so hard, because the Murdocks really want Hillary to win?

I never did get a response to that.