WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE 'PRO-LIFE'?

hillary clinton, Hannity & Colmes, YouTube ^ | 4.19.07 | Mia T

[Mia T]

WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE 'PRO-LIFE'?

by Mia T, 4.18.07

 

HILLARY TAKES VILLAGE: teen abortion / no parent notification (YouTube)

From the Senate: Statement on Supreme Court's Gonzales v. Carhart Decision Washington, DC -- 4/18/2007 "This decision marks a dramatic departure from four decades of Supreme Court rulings that upheld a woman's right to choose and recognized the importance of women's health. Today's decision blatantly defies the Court's recent decision in 2000 striking down a state partial-birth abortion law because of its failure to provide an exception for the health of the mother. As the Supreme Court recognized in Roe v. Wade in 1973, this issue is complex and highly personal; the rights and lives of women must be taken into account. It is precisely this erosion of our constitutional rights that I warned against when I opposed the nominations of Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Alito." HILLARY CLINTON ON SCOTUS DECISION

HANNITY: Partial birth? GIULIANI: I think that's going to be upheld. I think it should be. as long as there's provision for the life of the mother then that's something that should be done. HANNITY: There's a misconception that you support a partial birth abortion. GIULIANI: If it doesn't have provision for the mother I wouldn't support the legislation. If it has provision for the life of the mother I would support.... GIULIANI: I think the appointment of judges that I would make would be very similar to if not exactly the same as the last two judges that were appointed. Chief Justice Roberts is somebody I work with, somebody I admire. Justice Alito, someone I knew when he was US attorney, also admire. If I had been president over the last four years, I can't think of any-- that I'd do anything different with that. I guess the key is and I appointed over 100 judges when I was the mayor so it's something I take very, very seriously. I would appoint judges that interpreted the constitution rather than invented it. Understood the difference of being a judge and a legislator. And having argued a case before the Supreme Court, having argued in many, many courts is something I would take very seriously. HANNITY: So you would look for a Scalia, Roberts, Alito. GIULIANI: Scalia is another former colleague of mine and somebody I consider to be a great judge. You are never going to get somebody exactly the same. I don't think you have a litmus test. But I do think you have a general philosophical approach that you want from a justice. I think a strict construction would be probably the way I describe it. Giuliani on Hannity: VIDEO AND TRANSCRIPT

 

 

COMMENT:

Premise: The only thing electorally each of us controls is our own vote.
Corollary: Each of us is responsible for the consequences of our own vote.

If we take the primary and the general election separately, that helps to define the problem.

IMO, we are faced, in the primary with selecting someone who will successfully prosecute the war, someone who will successfully protect and defend the Constitution. I suspect no one will disagree with this.

But we must also select someone who can win, for reasons that are obvious to me, but not, apparently, to some in this forum.

Anyone who demonstrates to me he can satisfy all of the above gets my attention, and the one who satisfies it best will get my support.

Notice that I do not mention ideological purity. I don't even mention ideology. Lincoln understood that sometimes you must go outside the system to save the system, that Lady Liberty cannot lift herself up by her own bootstraps.

So in step one, the primary, if you (or I) vote for and help nominate a sure loser in the name of ideological purity or for whatever reason, then yes, you are (or I am) helping to elect hillary clinton or whichever D is nominated.

In the general, if it's hillary vs. Rudy, say, and you don't vote, or vote 3rd party, then you are helping to elect hillary clinton. To think that you have any other options in this de facto 2-party system of ours is self-delusion.

And if you help to elect hillary clinton, you must bear the responsibility for all the deaths of all the children, unborn, living, and not yet even imagined that will flow from that election.

Those are the facts. You may not like them. They may disturb your idea of 'pro-life' as viewed through the narrow lens of abortion.

Dilemmas are tough. Life is full of them. Cognitive dissonance is not comfortable and many here, (and most if not all of us some time or other), find comfort in rationalizing dilemmas away.

But the problem is still there; you are no closer to the real solution. To the contrary. You are fast approaching real disaster. I sincerely hope you see it before it is too late.


POSTSCRIPT

MORALITY: Nothing less than morality undergirds my argument. What I am disputing are not your moral underpinnings--I admire them-- but rather your failure to acknowledge that your solution is no less (and I would argue, far more) immoral than the alternative.

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE: No insult intended. Dilemmas cause cognitive dissonance. No option is wholly satisfactory. I understand why you don't want to vote for someone who is pro-choice. But there is a dilemma: Your solution, to vote 3rd party or sit home, ultimately helps to elect someone who is by your very own criteria far worse than Rudy.

They may disturb your idea of 'pro-life' as viewed through the narrow lens of abortion.

This statement is not meant as an insult. Being 'pro-life' means so much more than simply being against abortion. When we fail to acknowledge that fact, we do dangerous, irrational, ultimately self-destructive things like helping to elect hillary clinton.

"The power of the harasser, the abuser, the rapist depends above all on the silence of women." (Ursula K. LeGuin)



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[Mia T]

The judges: A canard. His universe of candidates was a preselected pool of Ds.

I’m not going to reargue Rudy’s strengths. They are well-known.

The underlying flaw in your argument is a failure to compare Rudy Giuliani with hillary clinton. You are foolishly comparing Rudy with some imaginary beau ideal of conservatism.

Continue to do that and you may very well get what YOU deserve.

[Miss Didi]

Bump! So many excellent posts, bravissimi!

So my question is, why is Rudy still leading in the polls? Hello, are we not at war?

[KATIE-O]

I agree! Mia has hit another one out of the ballpark with her intelligent approach of a complex situation.

[gonzo]

It's simple for me, Mia. I'm Conservative by nature and a Republican by choice.

Politics is a team sport! You fight-like-hell in the Republican primaries for the candidate of your choice!

When the Republican Candidate is chosen by voting, any person of minimal intelligence throws all their support behind the Candidate and votes for that Candidate!

To do anything else could result in electing a dimocRAT! 'If you vote for another Perot, you'll get another clinton!'

BTW, always encourage Ralph Nader to run again. Don't give him any money, but cheer him on ............. FRegards

[investigateworld]

Maybe you are correct, but sometimes I feel like an idiot for voting for Bush and donating money to the Swifties.

I didn't vote in the '00 election, after seeing that child drug out by JBT (Elian Gonzales), I knew Bush had it in the bag.

Kind of fits in with the knowledge I have about Mena Airport. (But the Algore is so stupid (?) he hasn't figured out that cost him the election LOL.)

After seeing Bush I take a dive in his reelection campaign to allow Slickmeister to replace him, everything I knew about ... off budget funding of certain projects came to jump up larger than life*.

Didn't really want to face it, as I have walked precincts for "R" candidates. I would have reminded apolitical but Kerry annoys me. Can't explain it, just something about posers/traitors ticks me off.

Then came Bush II.

He made good noises about stopping abortion. I don't like his globalism - open borders and contempt towards the working class.

There is a reason Hispanic-Americans don't vote for him en mass. They don't trust him. They see how he has sold out Afro-Americans and know they could be next. They're hardly stupid.

.

Do you think sending in machine gun armed Federal Swat Teams to arrest dog Chapman and the Border patrol guys was wise?**

Bottom line is I don't trust the Washington cabal. Thus if a pro- abortionist carries the Republican banner, I'm off to a (now) obscure Third Party.

I know Democrats very well. Did a little drinking with them when they were trying to woo my cop union to support Rose Bird for Cali's Supreme Court.

Under the influence of Mr. John Barrelycorn, several of them admitted they were communists, but quickly added "But not of the Soviet Model".

They crave power like an addict seeks his next fix, more-so if possible.

They live in a world of their own, everything seen in term of the Marxist viewpoint. And I believe they would love to see US troops being taken off the roof of our Embassy in Baghdad, a la Saigon. I hate to see them anywhere near the levers of power, as I will be amongst the first to be sent to a reeducation camp. But I cannot vote for a politician who supports abortion (except in limited cases of rape-incest-mother's physical health)

A conflict? May be, but those babies are precious in the eyes of their Creator and I cannot argue with the Man Upstairs. The folks that run Washington know that there are many of us that hold abortion as a litmus test, so they are pushing for "R" candidates who are unsupportable.

* See my home page

** A simple Yes - No answer will suffice.

Sorry about the rambling, but please keep hammering the Beast.

[Petronski]

I will not vote for a gungrabbing pro-abortion candidate. If the GOP nominates a gungrabbing pro-abortion candidate (i.e., Rudy), they forfeit my vote.

It will not be my fault, but the fault of GOP, and all the Rudyphiles.

There are many like me.

[dforest]

Insults and threats of banning are hardly conservative tactics.

Oh yes they are. We put up with mealy mouth Republicans far too long and look what we got for it.

We can stand up to a liberal like Rudy and his cohorts. Problem you folks have is you can only bully the people who have been the strength of this party.

Your RINO buddies sell out to the RATs and have become no better than RATs. You people have a fixation on the DU and don't care about your own.

[Gracey]

So glad to see a few with political intelligence on FR. :-)

[Mia T]

I agree with you. The root cause of the problem is entrenched power. (Why AREN’T Sandy Berger and the clintons in the slammer (at a minimum)?)

We won’t solve our problems unless and until we purge DC of the professional pols and replace them with citizen politicians, people of high character and achievement who will lend their expertise for a term or two and then return to their day jobs.

Until then, we must do everything in our power to keep the clintons (or any of their seditious buddies) out of the WH.

Putting doctrinal purity ahead of making sure a defective and dangerous clinton never again controls this country is pre-clinton thinking. We no longer have the luxury of time or circumstance to massage our sensibilities, to indulge our indignations. We will not survive another clinton. (We may yet not survive the first.)

[MACVSOG68]

Oh yes they are. We put up with mealy mouth Republicans far too long and look what we got for it.

Just what did you get for it?

We can stand up to a liberal like Rudy and his cohorts. Problem you folks have is you can only bully the people who have been the strength of this party.

Bully? You are saying you have been bullied? I would say that calling someone a treasonous cretin for looking favorably at a Republican candidate for president is bullying. Wouldn't you? I would say that heaping every conceivable insult on those who do not share the far right agenda is bullying. I would say those who threaten them with expulsion constantly is bullying. Wouldn't you?

I understand your desperation, knowing that the social agenda will no longer be the in the mainstream of the Party, but it is not gone, nor should it be. Almost all Republicans are against abortion to varying degrees. But almost all Republicans understand what is at stake in one of America's greatest challenges since the Civil War. Republicans understand that the social agenda is a small part of conservatism, and above all, they recognize that the Party is the one best hope for the continuation of conservatism. They want all Republicans to come together after the primaries and concentrate on the defeat of Hillary Clinton. And I know that most will.

Your RINO buddies sell out to the RATs and have become no better than RATs. You people have a fixation on the DU and don't care about your own.

The only RINOs I know are those who say that if their 1% candidate does not win the nomination, thereby dooming our Party in 2008, that they will leave the Party and sit it out or vote 3d Party. Those are the Republicans in name only. They are not the conservatives who will do everything they can to defeat the Democrats next year. They are the ones who know that the top 3 candidates currently have about 70% of the support of the Republican Party, and that all 3 are continually being trashed by their own, who call themselves conservatives.

Not sure what you mean by a fixation on DU, but its safe to say that quite a number of folks here can put DU to shame with their vitriol, refusal to discuss issues, and threats to anyone they feel like targeting.

As for not caring about my own, my own are conservative Republicans like myself, who understand what is at stake, and will do everything to win next year. They are the Republicans who understand what it will take to bring together our Party with conservative Democrats and independents; who are not afraid of negotiation and compromise just as with Ronald Reagan. I care very much about them. They are my own.

This Party has a place for everyone interested in conservative government, the far right, the moderates and the center-right. This Party has a place for minorities of all kind who believe in conservative government.

I truly hope you folks can once again come into the mainstream of the Party, push the candidate of your choice, and in the end help propel our Party to victory.

[TAdams8591]

I agree with you, I really do. And no one need or EVER needed to convince me of that. But Guiliani is not the man who will get it done.

[TAdams8591]

I think Mia is, and I say this with all due respect, so petrified of another Clinton in the Whitehouse, she cannot think straight.

[investigateworld]

""(We may yet not survive the first.)

Frankly, I give the "R" Party less than five years after Bush gets his Amnesty. I saw what the '87 Amnesty did to Cali, now imagine 5 to 8 times worse.

[Mia T]

Why AREN’T Sandy Berger and the clintons in the slammer (at a minimum)?

And where is the unredacted Barrett report, anyway?

STALINIST RISING?
HILLARY CLINTON ABUSE OF POWER
(WHERE IS THE UNREDACTED BARRETT REPORT ANYWAY?)

[Doofer]

(((((STOP RUDY 2008 PING)))))

[Mia T]

You make a good point. Politics has muddied up the terminology.

Perhaps if I phrase it this way: Does your concern for the lives of babies stop at the womb? It sure seems that way to me. Otherwise you would be far more concerned with a clinton takeover than a Giuliani presidency.

[PGalt]

I will vote for whichever R is nominated. I understand the danger of the clintons.

As will I. Thanks for all that you do, Mia T. OUTSTANDING!

[PGalt]

GRRRRREAT graphic and text and the top of this thread BUMP!

[Gracey]

Don’t vote for him. It’s a free country. Why does everything have to be your way. You seem to be the AUTHORITARIAN around here, pushing your beliefs on everyone. God Bless you.

[Gracey]

Your post 90 is beautifully written and so to the point. Thanks for adding intelligence to this thread. Keep it up.