Posted on 04/19/2007 11:04:50 AM PDT by Mia T
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Mia, nominating a person who represents the planks in the Republican party platform is what primary voting is all about. The effort to get more to participate in that process is far more important than pushing a person into the nomination who doesn't represent the planks in the party platform ... unless you want to change the planks and thus the representative reason for the party as it is currently defined.
Short response, get your butt busy turning out more conservatives to vote in the primaries instead of trying to pursuade conservatives to support a person who does not represent conservative principles.
Mia, you do such a great job exposing the liberalism of the Rodham-rodent. Why is it you cannot see how similar Rudy is to the Rodham-rodent? If she is bad for her liberalism, why is Rudy good for his liberalism?
So why are you pushing Rudy? He's guaranteed to split the GOP.
And that person is Rudy?
Rudy took guns away from law-abiding gun-owners while declaring Roe to be a Constitutional right.
How on EARTH is this guy the one to defend the Constitution when his actions indicate an abject misunderstanding of what the Constitution means?
[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000
TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999
MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?
MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...
MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]
MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....
MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?
MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000
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You really crossed a line here, Mia.
If the GOP nominates pro-abort Rudy, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION BETWEEN THE GOP AND THE DEMS.
So your attempts to try and blame pro-lifers if it comes down to Rudy and Hillary and Hillary wins is absurd. And insulting. And an indication of just how far you've slid leftwards in your efforts to support Rudy.
Is that what she does?! I honestly don't know, most of the time, what the **** MiaT is talking about and comprehending the actual point of one of her posts or threads is about as rare as finding actual, empiracal evidence of Giuliani's alleged conservatism.
No it's the definition of "can win" that is the point of contention. For the Rudy Tooters the definition of can win is only Rudy and no one else. They then go forth with that premise to start some very ugly and divisive debates.
Rudy in fact CAN'T win because there are prolife people across the country who are not political. They are religious, morally conservative but don't consider themselves to have any allegiance to any party. If there is no prolife candidate on the ballot, they simply throw their hands up and wait for the next election. I wouldn't suggest that, but that's the way it is.
If there is no prolife candidate for President, they skip the election, and in this day and age of razor thin political divisions, that will kill any Republicans chances. End of story. Rudy can't win.
Yep. Rudy is the one to save us from Clintonism, according to Mia.
The more I read this, the more arrogant it gets. And ignorant, for that matter.
Tell me, Mia - did Papa Bush lose in 1992 by running too far rightward? Did the GOP in 2006 lose by running too far rightward?
Sorry, but the opposite is the case. Rudy would split the GOP.
empiracal = empirical
empiracal = empirical
that is it. in a nutshell.
In the latest FR poll, 71.4 percent of Freepers support Fred, while 6.2 percent support Rudy. So tell me, Mia - do you think nearly 3/4s of the forum members who voted are stupid? That they just don't grasp what is obvious to you?
Or does that major gap - that 6.2 percent support for Rudy - indicate he is no conservative?
Where we part company on this is the Guiliani camp's insistence on pushing the false dichotomy of "we must nominate Guiliani to defeat Clinton". It's false for two reasons:
The fact is, I'm sick and tired of hearing that we must abandon conservatism just to "win". What kind of "win" is it when we sacrifice all we hold dear to get it? You can throw whatever "clarifying statements" you want around, the fact is that Guiliani is a 100% NARAL-supported politician.
He's also no friend to the pro-2A crowd; prior to his 9/11 fame, his record on "security" was to disarm the law-abiding. His supposed "fiscal conservative" record is mixed at best. He's supported illegal immigrants and their enablers. He's in favor of a big, intrusive, and authoritarian government. His personal morals and ethics are decidedly below par for the GOP.
Rudy is the wrong man, at the wrong time, running for the wrong office. If he wins the GOP nomination, conservatism in this country is DEAD -- it will prove that all one has to do is throw platitudes toward the right, provide them with a bogeyman, and then they'll blindly follow along.
I'll have no part of it.
Your two errors, in my view:
(1) You are neglecting to include Rudy’s crossover appeal in your calculation.
(2) Wanting a future for your kids isn’t ‘political’ or ‘religious.’ It’s instinctual.
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