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To: Mia T
But we must also select someone who can win, for reasons that are obvious to me, but not, apparently, to some in this forum.... So in step one, the primary, if you (or I) vote for and help nominate a sure loser in the name of ideological purity or for whatever reason, then yes, you are (or I am) helping to elect hillary clinton or whichever D is nominated.

Where we part company on this is the Guiliani camp's insistence on pushing the false dichotomy of "we must nominate Guiliani to defeat Clinton". It's false for two reasons:

  1. It presumes to know, 18+ months before the election, what the results will be, before any serious campaigning even begins; and
  2. It presumes that Clinton will even be the Democrat nominee. History says that especially for Democrats, the early "front runner" is virtually certain to NOT be the nominee. Also, her negatives outweigh her positives, and the support for the stuffed-shirt Obama shows the left bases' frustration with Clinton.

The fact is, I'm sick and tired of hearing that we must abandon conservatism just to "win". What kind of "win" is it when we sacrifice all we hold dear to get it? You can throw whatever "clarifying statements" you want around, the fact is that Guiliani is a 100% NARAL-supported politician.

He's also no friend to the pro-2A crowd; prior to his 9/11 fame, his record on "security" was to disarm the law-abiding. His supposed "fiscal conservative" record is mixed at best. He's supported illegal immigrants and their enablers. He's in favor of a big, intrusive, and authoritarian government. His personal morals and ethics are decidedly below par for the GOP.

Rudy is the wrong man, at the wrong time, running for the wrong office. If he wins the GOP nomination, conservatism in this country is DEAD -- it will prove that all one has to do is throw platitudes toward the right, provide them with a bogeyman, and then they'll blindly follow along.

I'll have no part of it.

19 posted on 04/19/2007 11:31:42 AM PDT by kevkrom (Al Gore is to Global Warming as L. Ron Hubbard is to Scientology)
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To: kevkrom

My positions aren’t etched in stone. That would be foolish. Conditions change.

The idea is to win so that the defective and dangerous clintons do not retake the White House, not that any particular R becomes president.

We should field the strongest R. To do any less would be irresponsible.


30 posted on 04/19/2007 12:16:49 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: kevkrom
"I'll have no part of it. "

I join that.

Rudy is just as liberal as the Clinton's.

So maybe I'll be a man without a party like Zell Miller, but someday I will have to answer to the Boss of the Universe.

38 posted on 04/19/2007 1:10:00 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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