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Heads Must Roll At Virginia Tech ...(assumed domestic violence ???)
Peace and Freedom ^ | April 17, 2007 | John E. Carey

Posted on 04/17/2007 5:21:32 AM PDT by IrishMike

The entire nation will now collectively mourn one of the great tragedies one can endure: the death of so many of our children.

But a detailed analysis of the facts will also be ongoing. There are many questions from all observers.

It just seems to me, when law enforcement finds two dead bodies on a sleepy university campus in the 7 A.M. hour: they immediately should slam the “Red Alert” button. Yesterday there were some lame remarks about getting out an email (two hours late) and that there wasn’t time to get the word to both lock down the campus and stop the influx of tens of thousands of commuters.

They don’t have radio and TV in Blacksburg, Virginia? If at 7 A.M. a tornado was announced heading for that campus, what would have happen? How about a snowstorm? We had high winds in Washington D.C. this week and the schools were closed three hours early. It was on every radio and TV station in seconds. With that huge force of law enforcement, a good police commander could have closed every road into that campus in no time.

They got radios, cars and flashing lights, don’t they?

Did anyone notice that a bunch of those law enforcement offers were, ahem, chubby?

Law enforcement at Virginia Tech didn’t save one life. They didn’t waste one bullet doing it either. Somebody should be ashamed: law enforcement didn’t fire a shot. The only shooter on that campus got tired after all the mayhem he made.

If my kids name was killed in the classroom after 9 A.M. I am one angry parent.

When is the last time law enforcement found two dead students, murdered students, on that campus during the 7 A.M. hour?

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To: laotzu

The student killed two people in a dorm room, returned to his dorm room where he re-armed and left a “disturbing note” before entering a classroom building on the other side of campus to continue his rampage, sources said.

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Some students question why administrators did not cancel classes after the first shooting, and why it took more than two hours to inform the university community via e-mail about the first incident.


61 posted on 04/17/2007 6:42:19 AM PDT by IrishMike ( What happens when aliens breed with sheep ? - Democrats)
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To: IrishMike

I hate this type of Monday Morning Quarterbacking. If Universities closed shop any time a murder occurs in close proximity, then many city schools would be shut down more time than they are open for business.

How many times does someone shoot another person and then flees the scene to escape capture? Now compare that to the number of times a person shoots another, then waits 2 hours, then shoots another 30 people. There are MANY other things to be upset with the pres of the university(no guns allowed), than this.


62 posted on 04/17/2007 6:48:58 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: IrishMike
Someone has to stand responsible for this crime and lack of prevention after the first one was committed.I do not have esp but there was a crime committed on campus two hours before he butchered the others in the other classrooms.The campus should have been locked down period at the first crime.If the dean would have taken a chance to error on the side of caution and lock down the campus maybe it would have not been as bad. Better to be sorry for a mistake in judgment of safety then to error in the judgment made.You never ignore action which involves a gun. Someone has to step up to the plate.
63 posted on 04/17/2007 6:49:53 AM PDT by betsyross1776 (BIG HOME DO NOT BUY YOU HAPPINESS)
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To: woodbutcher

How about we start with the design of the road system and go from there.


64 posted on 04/17/2007 6:49:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: IrishMike
Some students question...

At what point do you think the "Red Alert" panic button should have been pushed?
(p.s. you've got a good thread going here)

65 posted on 04/17/2007 6:53:09 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: muawiyah

How about we start with the design of the road system and go from there.
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Good. Lets do that.

What is the road design?

What do you do with it or about it?


66 posted on 04/17/2007 6:56:52 AM PDT by woodbutcher
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To: IrishMike
I am not an expert on hand guns but he had to reload these guns. If armed security would have been there could someone have gotten a shot across and taken him down or at least disarm him during rearming. Did they let this man in the hall all the time to just shoot? Where were the snipers on the roofs opposite the hall ? I think this law enforcement in all our country needs more training.This should have been looked into after 911. I know the president had money allocated for enforcement after 911. Where was the training? WE cannot afford to panic again and make bad decisions . We have got to air on the side of caution no matter how inconvenient it may turn out to be.
67 posted on 04/17/2007 6:57:02 AM PDT by betsyross1776 (BIG HOME DO NOT BUY YOU HAPPINESS)
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To: don-o; IrishMike; Howlin; SengirV; onyx

“Who is this asshat and why post such crap?” —don-o

The asshat posting this crap is none other than one of our *former* own....

The frequently posting john e. carey
http://www.freerepublic.com/~johncarey/

“This account has been banned or suspended.
Okay”

Don’t remember when he was banned, however. It has been some time ago.


68 posted on 04/17/2007 6:57:15 AM PDT by bwteim (bwteim = begin with the end in mind)
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To: muawiyah

How about we start with the design of the road system and go from there.
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Good. Lets do that.

What is the road design?

What do you do with it or about it?


69 posted on 04/17/2007 6:57:41 AM PDT by woodbutcher
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To: laotzu

5 minutes after the 1st shot at 7am.


70 posted on 04/17/2007 6:58:24 AM PDT by IrishMike ( What happens when aliens breed with sheep ? - Democrats)
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To: IrishMike

The author of this is an illogical idiot. He has NO clue. Too bad. I read the first couple lines and understood he was the ‘box of rocks’ type.


71 posted on 04/17/2007 6:59:31 AM PDT by lawdude (Fred! * Fred! * Fred! * Fred! * Fred! * Fred! * Fred! * Fred! * Fred! * Fred! * Fred! * Fred! *)
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To: muawiyah

How about we start with the design of the road system and go from there.
__________________________________________________

Good. Lets do that.

What is the road design?

What do you do with it or about it?


72 posted on 04/17/2007 7:01:31 AM PDT by woodbutcher
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To: muawiyah

How about we start with the design of the road system and go from there.
__________________________________________________

Good. Lets do that.

What is the road design?

What do you do with it or about it?


73 posted on 04/17/2007 7:01:52 AM PDT by woodbutcher
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To: IrishMike

So - do you blame NYPD and FDNY for all the deaths in the second tower?


74 posted on 04/17/2007 7:01:56 AM PDT by Hoodlum91 (I support global warming.)
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To: IrishMike
Some students question why administrators did not cancel classes after the first shooting, and why it took more than two hours to inform the university community via e-mail about the first incident.

Why race to give out facts before a proper investigation is even underway? If you've ever watched the news during a breaking event, you know that the real facts don't come out for several hours. Why panic 30,000 students when it might not necessary? Why are you in such a rush to make a potentially stable situation into a madhouse? Do you really think that it would be any safer, and that there would be fewer problems if the police immediately and publicly jump to conclusions in the next ten American campus shootings?

75 posted on 04/17/2007 7:02:18 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: betsyross1776

The student killed two people in a dorm room, returned to his dorm room where he re-armed and left a “disturbing note” before entering a classroom building on the other side of campus to continue his rampage, sources said.

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An immediate lock down after 1st shooting more than likely would have resulted in the shooter being prevented from moving to the 2nd shooting location, two hours later on the other side of campus.


76 posted on 04/17/2007 7:03:04 AM PDT by IrishMike ( What happens when aliens breed with sheep ? - Democrats)
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To: betsyross1776
Someone has to stand responsible for..lack of prevention

Tonight, at least three people will be murdered in San Antonio. We don't know who, or where, or why. We do know it will happen.

Is it too early to criticise our police for these murders? For those of next week? What are you doing about them?

77 posted on 04/17/2007 7:03:18 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: woodbutcher
Great!! How would you have secured VT?

Approving the campus CCW measure that failed this January might have been a nice start. Armed students have cut short numerous campus rampages in the past (Appalachian State, Texas, etc)

You'll never prevent 100% of these incidents or fatalities (nor would you ever want to live in any society that could), but allowing CCW would help reduce the body-counts, and has done so in the past.

78 posted on 04/17/2007 7:05:13 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: IrishMike

The idea that authorities didn’t have time or resources to get the word out is so lame it’s outrageous. They were derelict in their duty.


79 posted on 04/17/2007 7:10:24 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: laotzu
One moment looking ahead is better then looking back . It is better in enforcement to look at the what ifs then the what was. If it saves one life to be cautious then I would air on looking ahead rather then looking back. Where were the security camera on campus? People pay a lot of money to go to these schools and they expect enforcement to be aware of what might happen also. If it saves one life to error on caution then let America make mistakes that way. I still believe in better to be safe then sorry.All I know is there are a lot of people hurting today. I hope we have learned where we went wrong.
80 posted on 04/17/2007 7:10:46 AM PDT by betsyross1776 (BIG HOME DO NOT BUY YOU HAPPINESS)
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