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Ancients Mashed Grapes Found In Greece (6,500 YA)
Discovery News ^ | 3-16-2007 | Jennifer Viegas

Posted on 03/16/2007 3:58:20 PM PDT by blam

Ancient Mashed Grapes Found in Greece

Jennifer Viegas, Discovery News

Ancient Grapes

March 16, 2007 — Either the ancient Greeks loved grape juice, or they were making wine nearly 6,500 years ago, according to a new study that describes what could be the world’s earliest evidence of crushed grapes.

If the charred 2,460 grape seeds and 300 empty grape skins were used to make wine, as the researchers suspect, the remains might have belonged to the second oldest known grape wine in the world, edged out only by a residue-covered Iranian wine jug dating to the sixth millennium B.C.

Since the Greeks influenced the Romans, who in turn influenced virtually all of Europe, it is possible that a drink made in a humble, post-framed house in eastern Macedonia influenced much of the world’s wine.

"For the Neolithic or the Bronze Age, we have no evidence for markets and a market economy," lead author Tania Valamoti told Discovery News.

"Production was on a household or communal basis," added Valamoti, who is a lecturer in the Department of Archaeology at Greece’s Aristotle University of Thessaloniki.

Valamoti and her team excavated four homes at a Neolithic site called Dikili Tash. After discovering the grape remains in one residence, they conducted charring experiments on fresh grapes, raisins and wine pressings to see what would best match the ancient seeds and skins. They determined the archaeological remains "morphologically resemble wine pressings and could not have originated from charred grapes or raisins."

Analysis of the grape remains determined they either were harvested from wild plants or originated from a very early cultivar.

Findings are published in the current journal Antiquities.

The scientists also found two-handled clay cups and jars, which they say suggest a use for decanting and consuming liquids. Charred figs were also found near the grape remnants. The presence of figs likely was not a coincidence, according to the researchers, who mentioned that juice from wild grapes often has a bitter taste. "Figs could have been added to the grape juice prior to fermentation and the sugars contained in them would have entered the juice," explained Valamoti. "Or, they could have been added to the fermented product after completion of the fermentation process. Honey could be dealt with in the same way."

The world’s oldest wine, a 9,000-year old rice wine from China, also contained honey and fruits.

The ancient Greek grapes might change wine history, as experts previously theorized grape wine-making could have first spread throughout the Middle East.

Patrick McGovern, a senior research scientist at the University of Pennsylvania, and one of the world’s leading ancient wine experts, has pointed out that "the wild grape never grew in ancient Egypt," yet evidence for wine there dates back to at least 2,700 B.C. Red wine residue was even found in King Tut’s tomb.

He and his colleagues believe wine-making became established in Egypt due to "early Bronze Age trade between Egypt and Palestine, encompassing modern Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, and Jordan."

But since the Phoenicians and the Greeks largely controlled Egyptian trade during much of the Pharaonic period, because many such individuals had settled into the Delta, it is now possible that Greeks brought wine into Egypt and into numerous other places, through Greece’s extensive trade routes.

Valamoti and her colleagues hope further studies can be conducted on the Dikili Tash pottery, to determine whether tartaric acid, a component of grapes and wine, was present in the cups.


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KEYWORDS: agriculture; godsgravesglyphs; grapes; greece; greeks; oenology; patrickmcgovern; wine; winemaking; zymurgy
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21 posted on 02/08/2010 12:27:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: blam

Pelosi’s first vineyard, planted when she was young?


22 posted on 02/08/2010 1:06:48 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First FAILED "light skinned African American [Pres-dent] with no Negro dialect..")
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To: blam

The Greeks know about wines and even better the Greek Monks of Mylopotamos know how make this phenomenal wine as they call this vintage: Oinomeli - honey wine

23 posted on 02/08/2010 2:44:38 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Gator113

Pelosi’s first vineyard, planted when she was young?

She shared with Helen Thomas.


24 posted on 02/08/2010 2:47:34 PM PST by Battle Axe (Repent, for the coming of the Lord is nigh.)
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To: blam

Sounds like this neolithic village was lucky and had their own vintner.

Anyone remember the ad for Italian Swiss Colony wine that had the old guy saying, “From that little old winemaker, me.”


25 posted on 02/08/2010 3:09:35 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: wildbill
Hard to believe the intelligent Greeks went from wine made from grapes to wine made from pine sap (Retsina)

Retsina is made with grapes. Pine sap is merely added as a flavoring. It is a carryover from the time when amphora were sealed with resin to prevent oxidation of the wine. The resin seal did impart a flavor to the wine that remained popular even when it became unnecessary.

26 posted on 02/08/2010 4:26:23 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: aristotleman
I detest retsina. I also detest ouzo. However, I love Greek food.
27 posted on 02/08/2010 4:28:31 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wildbill
Anything is an acquired taste- even kerosene gin
28 posted on 02/08/2010 4:39:17 PM PST by bobjam
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To: blam

This is almost assuredly wine-making. Grape juice didn’t come around until the 19th century when Welch figured out how to keep it from fermenting into wine.

Wine really is fairly simple to make- certainly simpler than beer. It should come as no surprise that wine making occurred so early.

If you think about it, what else was there to drink other than water (which might be so great depending on your location).


29 posted on 02/08/2010 4:47:44 PM PST by bobjam
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To: AndyJackson

Speaking of a acquired taste, retsina is one. Thunderbird or Annie Greensprings is another.


30 posted on 02/08/2010 4:50:47 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: blam
Ahhhh, port in the early years.
Nectar of the gods.
31 posted on 02/08/2010 4:52:56 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: wildbill; blam; SunkenCiv; All

Actually pine sap may have healthful antioxidant/antiscorbutic properties. Ever hear of Pycnogenol. Googe it. Started taking it for my allergies and it cured a shoulder in one month that had been “frozen” for three years. Pycnogenol comes from the inner bark of a French maritime pine, and perhaps from other pines as well. The anti cancer drug Taxol is also pine derived.


32 posted on 02/08/2010 5:23:59 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: trisham
All you got left is Retsina and Ouzo?? Pick one and pour it in!


33 posted on 02/09/2010 12:59:51 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Toga! Toga! Toga!


34 posted on 02/09/2010 1:05:47 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: blam

Mankind stumbles along for over 100k years, getting nowhere. Along comes wine and suddenly lords of the earth, and we’re reaching the stars. Just a post hoc coinkydink?


35 posted on 02/09/2010 3:50:27 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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