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Victor Davis Hanson: Anatomy of Iraq. How did we get to this baffling scenario?
NRO ^ | March 2, 2007 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 03/02/2007 6:13:38 AM PST by Tolik

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1 posted on 03/02/2007 6:13:43 AM PST by Tolik
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2 posted on 03/02/2007 6:14:15 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik

I think VDH underestimates support for Bush's Mideast policy if conservatives at FreeRepublic are any indication. Also, I'd never call myself a McCain conservative... ouch


3 posted on 03/02/2007 6:18:46 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik
Please add me to your VDH ping list.

Simply put, VDH nailed it...again.

4 posted on 03/02/2007 6:33:25 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Chuck Hagel makes Joe Biden look like a statesman!)
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To: Tolik

BTTT


5 posted on 03/02/2007 6:44:13 AM PST by aculeus
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To: Tolik
We got here because we have a "National News Media", on behalf of the Democrat Party Noise Machine, openly propagandizing for our Nation's enemies.
6 posted on 03/02/2007 6:45:01 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Cheney-Bolton 2008)
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To: Tolik

I think he oversimplifies the base of support for Bush on this. Most conservatives (save for the Buchanans) do support this war and for reasons of national security, not nation building. Furthermore, the paleos are a very distinct minority.

Otherwise, a great analysis of the problem and especially so since he points out (perhaps a bit too understated) the mistakes made by the administration.


7 posted on 03/02/2007 6:46:40 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: Tolik
conservatives Reactionaries at Free Republic...

Fixed it for you. Just because someone screams they are a "Conservative" does not make it so.

8 posted on 03/02/2007 6:47:04 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Cheney-Bolton 2008)
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To: misterrob
I think the problem is most of the American people have gotten to be such a bunch of self absorbed whinny losers they have this rabidly stupid notion that everything in life can be quick, easy and painless. Sorry, war doesn't work that way. Since it isn't they freak and scream about "mistakes" that were NOT "mistakes" but merely part of the normal Friction of War.

Truly the Baby Boomers are this Country's Worst Generation.
9 posted on 03/02/2007 6:50:50 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Cheney-Bolton 2008)
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But how did we get to this situation, to this fury over a war once supported by 70 percent of the public and a majority of Congress, but now orphaned by both?

A one-word answer: liberalism.

10 posted on 03/02/2007 6:50:55 AM PST by libertylover (If it's good and decent, you can be sure the Democrat Party leaders are against it.)
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To: Tolik
a grotesque televised beheading unanswered by a tough American retaliation against the militias

We only killed the guy who did it. Gee Dr Hanson, so sorry the world does not work on the 2 hour Action Movie time frame you Arm Chair Rambos think it should.

11 posted on 03/02/2007 6:53:41 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Cheney-Bolton 2008)
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In any war or conflict there are mistakes made. It's what allows us to learn and improve for the next battle. I think it is fair to say that the American people for the most part, do not understand that side of the world and what it takes to stay on top. It requires a degree of force and attitude that the Arab street would respect. Also, the trouble makers in Iraq are not all morons, they knew how to play the left's hatred of GWB like a fiddle and turn support for this conflict into outright treason in some instances.


12 posted on 03/02/2007 7:02:31 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: Tolik
DITTO!

And a large number of us still support the President in what he's trying to do in Iraq.

13 posted on 03/02/2007 7:10:33 AM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: misterrob

The thing is (and a lot of people don't like to hear this) "Nation Building" and "Hearts & Minds" plays a huge role in the GWOT.


14 posted on 03/02/2007 7:14:45 AM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Tolik
First, George Bush ran for president as a realist, who turned Wilsonian only after 9/11, in the belief that removing Saddam and leaving democracy in his wake could break up the nexus between Middle Eastern terrorism and autocracy.

Second, after the relatively easy victories in Grenada, Panama, the Gulf War, Serbia, and Afghanistan, the American public became accustomed to removing thugs in weeks and mostly by air and light ground-support. All during the 1990s, the more we made use of the military the more we cut it, until things came to a head in Iraq in a postwar effort that has been both long and confined largely to the ground.

He's touching here on what I think is the real reason our nation turned against the war - the Administration set us up with completely unrealistic expectations.

The Administration should have treated 9/11 like Pearl Harbor. The country was united behind W, and we all would gladly have sacrificed for a major and prolonged war effort. We should have turned our manufacturing into the war effort, pulling together, everyone working daily to give our boys the tools they needed. But instead of asking for that sacrifice, we were told that our contribution to the war effort was to keep on shopping.

The American public should have been braced for a long but worthwhile fight. Instead, the Administration went on talk shows to reassure us that it would be relatively quick and easy, and we certainly wouldn't have to actually sacrifice anything or change our lifestyles in any way.

Had they been realistic at the beginning, the hearts of Americans would still be with the Administration today. That's the shame of it, that's the wasted opportunity.

W's legacy will not that he started an unjust war, no matter how much the leftists cry. The real legacy is that he didn't prepare us to win a very legitimate one.

15 posted on 03/02/2007 7:20:03 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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He's only obliquely and very tangentially including the "small picture" in his issue of "will". We have been fighting house to house, block by block, for months or maybe even years now. We aren't blowing things up wholesale like in the good old days.

We are in a stalemate and there is no sense that we are "turning a corner" when nearly every day brings a new report of dozens of people killed by yet another marketplace bombing.


16 posted on 03/02/2007 7:20:07 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Valin
I agree but you cannot win the hearts of mindless adherents to a pedophile's teachings.
17 posted on 03/02/2007 7:34:00 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: Tolik

VDH breaks it down again.


18 posted on 03/02/2007 7:39:55 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: Tolik

VDH breaks it down again.


19 posted on 03/02/2007 7:39:58 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: highball
Instead, the Administration went on talk shows to reassure us that it would be relatively quick and easy

Who? What talk shows?

I remember warnings that the war would be "unlike any other war", "long and arduous", "with no clear indications of victory". If anything, the administration had to respond in some way to those who predicted 50,000 dead just to take Baghdad, but I don't remember anyone in the administration saying that taking Saddam down would be easy.

20 posted on 03/02/2007 7:53:19 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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