That would be one of those observable realities I mentioned. Giuliani is for that, so it is a true testament of his character. I doubt seriously if hate is involved. Just communication of a truth.
Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
If you intended the comment for FA, then you should say so.
No, it's not.
I've seen a lot of comment's directed at driving RUDY-LOVERS out of the Republican Party and off FR. Liberals, traitors, sexually challenged, they don't belong, after all.
I've seen lots of threats by the RUDY-HATERS to leave the Republican Party. To stay home or vote third party. As many recomended in the 2006 election.
I'm sure there are some, but I haven't seen many posts suggesting that the RUDY-HATERS should leave the party.
Leave, fine, but the "we're the party and we're being driven out" is nothing but whining.
If the social conservative vote is the core of the Republican Party, all they have to do is show up and vote, Rudy won't have a chance. I'm surprised the RUDY-HATERS haven't figured that out.
"Just wish CT was still around to stick up for himself.
Sigh."
This thread reminds me of my last divorce.
I now note that this will comment will now be used to label me an immoral [insert epithet here]. So shut up, Kim and get over it.
(For the ironically challenged, my musing may or may not use my ex's real name)
I pay my way to post here, and only Jim Robinson, certainly not you, can decide whether I continue posting or not. I have no interest in posting to your misnomer screen name again.
Thanks for proving how stupid you are if you're not cutting and pasting.
It most certainly is my statement; now where does it say in there that we need to compromise with liberals, which is what you said?
That's no misnomer screenname. It was picked very carefully I bet.
Well, who were you suggesting we compromise with?
So we are desperate housewives again? ROFLOL!!!
Registered are you joining us again?
Ain't that the truth.
Look out below!
That would be one of those observable realities I mentioned. Giuliani is for that, so it is a true testament of his character. I doubt seriously if hate is involved. Just communication of a truth.
Nice try; everybody on that thread knew exactly what it was -- and that you were posting stuff you shouldn't have had access to.
But continue to say I started an anti-Freeper site and actively worked agains the Freepathon.
Just proves you're a liar, butch.
That was funny. What's even funnier is that the holier than thou's (and we know who we're talkin bout here) has more personal baggage and skeletons than we could ever imagine. Must be sin guilt or some such that drives someone to such obsessive dimentia. I don't care if I can't spell dimentia either.
While I have in no way locked myself onto just one candidate ( w-a-y to early for that) I have already come to the conclusion that if Rudy become's the Republican candidate I would vote for him.
While I totally disagree with some of his positions...he has stated that he would nominate CONSERVATIVE'S to be Judges...including the Supreme Court.
Laws on abortion or the 2nd Amendment will NOT be changed by who we elect President...but having a Conservative Supreme Court (plus all the other courts) would go a long way in reversing the Liberal course that this Nation has been on for so long.
Plus...the very thought of another 'President Clinton'...or 'President Obama'...or for that matter ANY Democrat as President makes me sick.
redrock
I've been sitting here reading and just shaking my head. I'm also wondering who was responsible for all of those comments that had to be deleted. One would assume they were highly offensive, and one has to ask why that person wouldn't have been banned or suspended.
See, now you're thinking.
Principled emotionalism can work, so long as it's unified, and running parallel to the mood of the country. Ours is neither.
As of right now, the pendulum is swinging against us. That's normal. We swing left and right as a society pretty regularly, and especially after frustrating stretches like what we've seen in Iraq. Capitalizing on frustration and a desire for change is good politics. We can either seek to minimize the damage by a compromise Rudy-style candidate, or just bite the bullet and accept a principled Newt-in-'08 defeat.
America, on the whole, is tired of war, and tired of the Bush/Cheney vibe in government. People are fickle. Voters even more so. They want change, and they're going to get it. Either we give them moderate change, or they'll take leftist change. Sorry, but them's the breaks.
Newt Gingrich in 2002
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I'd like to see him win in 2007-2008, but I don't remember 2002.
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