Take a hint; don't bother.
Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
Careful, Cold Heat; you're beginning to hit some nerves around here -- like Common Tator did -- and we all saw what was said about him on this thread.
"moderate" republicans have always been similar to any democrat in at least one way - progress towards conservative ideals happens in spite of them.
Their support only comes as a result of their desire to be on what they perceive to be the winning side. They were never anywhere to be found when the fight got tough - and they never will be.
I meant abortionists to be plural.
The truth about the RINO's is coming out into the open. Earlier in the thread, one of them suggested that I go strangle myself. I believe he said to use a tourniquet.
I would like for 447 to be reinstated; if Spiff's abortion graphics can be posted over and over, I think it's only right that the nasty remarks made to me in 447 should stand for all to see.
I don't think that's in the cards.
You are complete scum.
I agree with the article, but I don't think it's thought provoking. To me, this is a big huge "Duh!". I can't figure out why more freepers don't understand this.
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Well said. Those who support Giuliani believe Hillary will be the Democrat nominee. It may be they are wrong. I would not be surprised if Obama wins the nomination. Then where will the Rudy-supporters be?
Thanks Howlin! Glad you are back!
Those are your principles; my principles demand that I stand up for this country.
I don't either. Especially given who is dealing the cards and what they're saying.
They're going into their "the blame for abortion belongs to those who oppose it" riff.
They were disgusting posts! His ugliness does resemble EVie's, nes par?
umm no I never said you were the culprit lol.
I have supported and defended the Constitution of These United States for most of my adult life. Defended this country against it's enemies and those who would see us and her people harmed.
When someone has the record Mr. Guiliani has, anti-gun, pro-illegal alien, there's no way on earth I can support him.
I don't hate the guy, I think he did a wonderful job as the Mayor of NY.
That's fine for NY if that's what they want.
It's not fine for me.
and I want to thank you for holding a civil conversation with me. Too many times these devolve into a flame fest and neither side does anything but make themselves look like fools in the process.
oh and yes, I did feel the same way about Bork.
I can forgive alot of sins, but violating our constitution for politically expediant reasons is something I will never EVER forgive.
It started with abortion, and frankly, I have not read the document, nor have most republicans since 2000, when everything began to collapse.
You really have assisted my argument by posting that drivel. We plan to clean that mess back up, after the election.(maybe before,.....hopefully)
But that might be asking for too much too soon, as we have not yet hit bottom.
Go look at the socially conservative Republican Party Platform and then you tell me just who is trying to hijack the GOP with a different agenda. The Party Platform is on the side of the conservatives. The "moderates" are actually liberals who oppose the platform and who have been trying for years to complete their takeover of the party. The people who are damaging the party are those who oppose its core principles and who wish to steer the party for their own selfish political ends.
Take a hint; don't bother.
Are you implying I don't stand up for my country?
How dare you!
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