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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: Delphinium

Thats the point i made earlier. first we are zealots and self rightous and then we are disgusting and unprincipled.

We cant both, ya know:)

I think anyone with an ounce of common sense knows we are all just trying to have some fun and get away from the bickering and political chaos.

We know how sweet you are and Ill defend your honor!


1,601 posted on 02/28/2007 9:13:32 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: Syncro; Jim Robinson

The term abolitionist comes to mind as example of how Jim used the word abortionist ... some people just like to find fault and be insulted.


1,602 posted on 02/28/2007 9:14:44 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: upsdriver

got coffee here too. no fudge bars, but i got popcycles! help ease the pain a little:)

Our shwans girl was suppose to be here yesterday, i think ive been stood up! drats.


1,603 posted on 02/28/2007 9:15:17 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: youngjim

I figured as much.


1,604 posted on 02/28/2007 9:18:12 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: OMalley
I never called anyone a "religious zealot" and if you are incapable of posting without having to lie about something, then nobody should read anything you write.

I've had a lovely life, unblemished by lascivious, libidinous, licentious, dangerous, reprobative behavior. That you revel in such past days, proves that you still haven;t reached a level of maturity. And it is disengenuous and hypocritical for any of you to condemn anyone else's past behavior.

And it's really a laugh riot, when so many on that thread were talking about what they were drinking while posting! These same people are the ones who call me a drunk and/or talk about what the assume I am drinking when I post. The assumptions are ALL wrong, since I almost never drink an alcoholic beverage. LOL

No, you didn't want me on that thread. I have no stories about being drunk, etc. to tell and do not care to associate with people who enjoy talking/posting about such things.

1,605 posted on 02/28/2007 9:20:45 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Al Simmons
The Republican Party needs the Conservative vote to win.

I don't think it is good for the country to drive pro lifers and 2nd Amendment supporters from the Republican Party.
1,606 posted on 02/28/2007 9:21:48 PM PST by do the dhue (DEM ARE RATS!!!!!)
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To: McGavin999
You're supporting Hunter, is that right?

I haven't picked a candidate yet. It's too far out. But I do know that I will support a conservative candidate and settle for a semi-conservative candidate if I have to. I will not support a liberal no matter what party he or she is in.

1,607 posted on 02/28/2007 9:21:59 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: McGavin999
You're supporting Hunter, is that right?

I haven't picked a candidate yet. It's too far out. But I do know that I will support a conservative candidate and settle for a semi-conservative candidate if I have to. I will not support a liberal no matter what party he or she is in.

1,608 posted on 02/28/2007 9:22:07 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: OMalley

If you can discredit the messinger...


1,609 posted on 02/28/2007 9:22:16 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: nopardons; OMalley
by lascivious, libidinous, licentious, dangerous, reprobative behavior. That you revel in such past days, proves that you still haven;t reached a level of maturity.

Are you talkng about Rudy, or us?

I think you forgot who your candidate is?

Omalley, I think she needs some of your meds:)
1,610 posted on 02/28/2007 9:27:01 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: nopardons

Well im sorry you feel that way, really.

I wasnt referring to you specifically as calling anyone a religious zealot, it was general-if you took the time to read my post.

It wouldnt have mattered in the least, if you didnt have any simular stories to tell. you could have shared anything about your life. thats what the thread was about. maybe you missed that.

Thats a whole slew of big nasty words. just because we can laugh at ourselves and not beat ourselves up over past events shows we have grown up. but thats a matter of opinion.

Calm down, relax-ive never accused you of drinking while posting. and if its untrue, why would it matter at all to you?

I think someone just needs a big hug:-)


1,611 posted on 02/28/2007 9:29:07 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: Delphinium

no way, im NOT sharing-besides it might be confused as being lude or dangerous. i have a reputation to uphold LOL


1,612 posted on 02/28/2007 9:32:00 PM PST by OMalley (Just say NO to Rudy "Tootsie" Giuliani-GO Duncan Hunter 08:))
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
You know, let's just for a moment say that everything you say is correct regarding the anti-Rudy comments. Yes, some anti-Rudy people have said some harsh things, some that I personally disagree with as well. What I don't understand is this, why do you allow what anyone *says* determine who you are going to support and vote for? It is childish to allow people's words, regardless how hateful, mean, rude, they are to determine how you are going to vote. You are voting for Rudy (according to what you said) for reasons that have nothing to do with Rudy's position on any of the issues. If you want to support Rudy and vote for him, by all means do so. But don't do it for the reasons you stated.

It is just silly to say you are going to vote for him because of what people on this forum said to you or someone else. Why cut your nose off to spite your face? If you can't see that, fine, do what you gotta do, but don't expect conservatives on this forum to blow kisses to you and wish you luck--we won't. Rudy may get nominated, but he will not win the election, because we "purists", "religious fanatics", "extremists", "narrow minded fools", as your side calls us, will not vote for a liberal republican. By they way, there's been people on your side who have been just as vicious in name calling as well. Your side certainly can't claim moral superiority in that department.

I want to address the comments you made about serving your country. I did not disrespect you as a person who served their country. You are mixing things up here and one has nothing to do with the other. Are you saying that because you served your country honorably that you are immune from being criticized on this forum? I think it is unreasonable to think that you cannot be criticized or disrespected for having a opinion about something, especially supporting a liberal republican, which by the way, over 60% of the people on this forum do not support. I am confident that you are respected by every person on this forum for your service to your country. I am proud of you and respect you enormously for making a tremendous sacrifice to your country. But it is not fair, and it certainly is not honest, that you would bring your military service up and use it in this context. As I said, one has nothing to do with the other.

I think you went over the top when you compared a few people on FR to those who called you a baby killer 30 years ago. Not only are you taking things out of context, you are making a dishonest comparison. Talk about offending people, that is pretty offensive, and even hateful in my opinion. The people on FR are probably the ONLY people who would have never called you a baby killer had FR been in existence back at that time. And for you to compare some of these people on FR to those kooks who said such awful things to you back them, that's pretty cruel friend.

Support Rudy if you want, but I suggest you find a better reason to vote for Rudy than just saying you support him because a few people offended you with *words*. That's not a very convincing or persuasive argument if you ask me.
1,613 posted on 02/28/2007 9:32:56 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: Delphinium; Ms. AntiFeminazi; editor-surveyor; Spiff
Perhaps you'd like to do something on this forum besides nattering 'poor, poor, pitiful me" to any mope who will listen and answer Post 1577. She has a very interesting question posited: "Who is more pro-life? You and your pro-life talk or Pete Sessions and his pro-life walk? Hasn't he earned more respect from this site of all places than what he has been served up here?"

I let up on you on an earlier thread because I thought your head had exploded:

Delphinium: "I'll pray that God will give you understanding of the Word that you just preached to me"

Ok here's your chance to witness to the unbeliever. If Rudy is so evil, how could Pete Sessions endorse him? Extra credit if you don't need to call the santimony squad to answer for ya.

1,614 posted on 02/28/2007 9:32:58 PM PST by youngjim (I know Karma, Karma is a friend of mine, and she is indeed a very nasty woman.)
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi

calling out the sanctimony squad BUMP


1,615 posted on 02/28/2007 9:39:13 PM PST by youngjim (I know Karma, Karma is a friend of mine, and she is indeed a very nasty woman.)
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To: youngjim
Perhaps you'd like to do something on this forum besides nattering 'poor, poor, pitiful me" to any mope who will listen and answer Post 1577. She has a very interesting question posited: "Who is more pro-life? You and your pro-life talk or Pete Sessions and his pro-life walk? Hasn't he earned more respect from this site of all places than what he has been served up here?"

Don't know what you are talking about?

Delphinium: "I'll pray that God will give you understanding of the Word that you just preached to me"

This is the only part of the post I relate too. Yes I said it after you posted me some scripture that you had no understanding of.

ANYONE who supports a pro-abortion, (partial birth),Margaret sanger praisen liberal like Rudy has no understanding of Gods Word.
1,616 posted on 02/28/2007 9:41:41 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: youngjim

Hey youngjim,

Are you just having a bad day?


1,617 posted on 02/28/2007 9:44:47 PM PST by Blue Collar Republican (NOW WITH 20% MORE RINO!)
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To: Delphinium
I wouldn't have anything to say, to the likes of you.

And I've been "like this" all of my life; thank God! Good breeding always tells. ;^)

1,618 posted on 02/28/2007 9:45:23 PM PST by nopardons
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To: dmw; PSYCHO-FREEP
Your prolix post equivocates "*words* with these particularly odious words "treasonous liberals."

That "your" side will not admit into evidence these words, shows your argument to be tendentious, intellectually dishonest, and a specious equivocation of the elements of the tort.

Now I'm not going to explain all of these big words to you, but until you stop framing the argument to prove your point (begging the question), you cannot have a civil debate on this matter.

1,619 posted on 02/28/2007 9:50:52 PM PST by youngjim (I know Karma, Karma is a friend of mine, and she is indeed a very nasty woman.)
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To: nopardons

Your mother acted like that too?


1,620 posted on 02/28/2007 9:51:15 PM PST by Delphinium
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