Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
What are the characteristics of a RINO that you disagree with?
ROFL
oh yeah so much looooove, we'll all sit around and sing kumbaya once rudy is elected. SIGH....im all a flutter;)
If Rudy and Hillery were to win, exactly what are the differences between?
LOL.
All I meant is he will not win the nomination. So all this argueing back and forth will be meaningless. He is too polarizing.
Rudy would have dresses for the balls?
Usually those who attack others as "RINOs" are the same people who threaten to stay home or vote third party if their candidate loses in the primary. Simple case of projection.
I've always voted Republican for President, Governor, Senator, or Representative. I worked on several campaigns when I was younger and had the time; I've supported candidates financially; I never voted third party or stayed home.
So I really don't care if someone wants to call me a "RINO" because I support a Republican candidate they don't like. I suspect in the end you don't care either. I was a Republican before Reagan was elected and I'll be one after Rudy leaves the scene one way or the other -- because the only alternative, the 'rat Party, has no business holding any office above that of dog catcher.
I believe that there are posters attacking Rudy who would rather have Hillary or Obama or some other 'rat in the Oval Office than suffer a loss of influence by losing a primary to someone who has higher priorities than social issues.
Clearly there is a great deal of fear that Rudy will win a fair primary battle. If he does win, there is no law that required primary losers or their supporters to support him. It's a free country. But if they do leave of their own free choice, to whine about being kicked out after losing a fair fight would just be pathetic.
You engaged in harassment, were looking forward to my being being upset and having a chance to impugn, bait, and flame me. No, I wasn't going to join that thread, but yes, after so many pings on two different threads ( which is against FR rules, BTW ), I took a quick look at the swear you were all frolicking in and left.
If your ideologically pure candidate is a bore - the other party's more appealing candidate will win. And if your ideological positions are out of step with the electorate - it will be a landslide for the other side.
I have to admit, that's funny. LOL
Please rephrase that query. It is impossible to answer your question as it stands.
"Rudy would have dresses for the balls?"
Or? would rudy have dresses and hillary the balls?
Ditto 1219.
bump
Well just d@mn that was suppose to go to delphinium. oh well.
Gotta be honest with ya.
Paragraphs 1,2 & 4 of your last post to me were fine. But that third paragraph was pure, unadulterated whine.
I do not hate Rudy. I hate his politics. I hate liberalism.
Liberalism is the enemy of conservatism. Around FR, if you support Rudy Giuliani don't be surprised if some FReepers see that stance as a betrayal of conservatism. I for one, believe that to be true.
post 1540 was actually meant for you! im all flustered LOL
While not challenging your main premise, I would like to point out that it would appear that it is going to shape up to be a battle between Giuliani, with the media, lying pollsters, mucho dinero, and many of the party's power brokers (who have set the accelerated primary schedule which is friendly to money and more liberal candidates) on his side, versus the conservative grassroots. Does that sound to you like a "fair fight," or one that forces the grassroots folks to start from the bottom of a deep hole?
Thank you, I'm having a hard time getting worked up about the same old arguements. But, give me time!
lying pollsters? I figured after the 2006 republican wipeout, that this nonsense about "the polls are all wrong" would have stopped on FR.
and you are saying that unless the primaries are structured to provide small states, with high concentrations of social conservatives, first in the schedule - that its "unfair"?
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