Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
Do you even read posts before you respond to them?
A "RINO" is a REPUPLICAN IN NAME ONLY. That doesn't mean someone who isn't 100% far right, it doesn't mean someone who doesn't agree with 10% of the GOP platform, nor does it mean someone you don't like.
The GOP has all kinds of different members, all of whom ARE GOPers!
Lincoln Chaffe was a RINO; so is Ron Paul.
Yeah, they will. Giuliani is useful to these leftists whether he wins or loses. The qualifications for the GOP nomination are being watered down more and more every day.
Baby picture of you, is that; EV?
You're welcome(s). I appreciate that you don't see Rudy as being the best we can do. I hear you on that. I hope you realize that others disagree with you. They honestly do think he is the best we can do right now.
What I am hoping is that the Rudy supporters not engage you and the others I mentioned and the others I should have mentioned(s)...unless you make a new or interesting or good point - which quite frankly - isn't very likely(s).
I don't think you all come onto the Rudy threads to discuss anything and so I hope that the Rudy supporters will see more and more that the Rudy haters are there to bait - to taunt - to disprupt - to antagonoize - to name call - to ridicule - to belittle - to insult etc. That's all they are doing on those threads and there is no reason to stoop to their level and engage them, imo.
I wish you well in gettting someone you can get excited about nominated. I haven't decided yet who I will support but I have no problem with Rudy or Romney. Hunter is ok. Brownback has some good qualities. I don't like McCain. I like Gilmore. I could support Newt. But I am so offended by the treatment of the Rudy and Romney supporters that I like to go on his threads as a support to them.
Not if they every see his FR posts, they won't.
No problem. Without straight men, life would be less grand. :)
Find a new one.
yep and IF he wins (which i do not believe) the GOP will basically be the dem party and the dems will become socialist party. oh joy, NOT!
My gawd this is getting SO OLD. give it a rest will ya.
Ron Paul is a Liberterian. See http://groups.msn.com/AMERICASSURVIVAL/yourwebpage.msnw
I agree Chaffee is a RINO, who is no longer in the Senate.
I should. You really got pretty boring after the first ten thousand or so times I saw you tell someone they "just don't understand politics."
"The qualifications for the GOP nomination are being watered down more and more every day." I wonder, could this 'refining' process actually be a planned means to 'purify' the GOP nominee to such an extent that the nominee will be paintable as a right-wing imperialist when the democrap nominee is run against the pubby nominee? There does seem to be an inordinant amount of bickering amongst the GOP faithful over candidates not vetted sufficiently to be viable yet. The clinton goon squad is quite good at defining the opponent so they can be marginalized.
Neither do I intentionally and with forethought harass other posters for fun and games; nor for that matter, do I post to salacious/libidinous threads about old drinking exploits ( which I have none of ) and sexual matters. But then, to each her own. :-)
"asked you what words do you use for chanting in your Rudy cult?
I could not help but say that after reading:
I believe that Rudy is the ONLY one capable of uniting America
This is cult thinking, don't you know?"
Can you not see how rudy is uniting all the freepers? can you not feel the love? What Rudy is doing here he can do for the whole country. wow! imagine that!!
"chosen" one? this is a primary process, we aren't installing anybody. but we also aren't arbitrarily excluding anyone from participating either.
Good, so now that we can agree about Lincoln Chaffe, use what we know about him as the exemplar of RINOISM.
ROFL!
I KNEW these folks would use that thread to be snide! they wont post on it, but sure didnt mind READING them just so they could be all high and mighty.
Must really suck not to beable to have a good time. i for one would prefer NOT to go thru life with a big political stick up my butt LOL
Okay taking a break....... im losing it;)
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