Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
Giuliani is a drag queen.
You are classless, Clem.
You are classless, Clem.
Thank you VERY much! :-)
Neither am I. I just want ALL Americans to vote. I think its our duty for living in the greatest nation on Earth. IMHO, we're obliged to vote. That especially applies to my fellow conservatives. Staying home on election day is wrong. Its unAmerican. But whoever we may vote for, that decision is a matter of choice, based on individual principles and personal integrity. Conservatives of conscience I believe in the end, will reject Rudy.
I just don't believe that Rudy would be in the best interests of America, the GOP or the conservative movement. He is a liberal and on social issues, Rudy is a leftwinger. I also do not like the falsehoods being thrown around that in some way, Rudy is a conservative. That is a bad joke. Also, Rudy is a national defense expert and foreign policy expert. More lame rhetoric. The one that really gets me is, Rudy is the only Republican who can beat Hillary. BULLONEY!
>>>>I don't think you are as bad as some, btw.
Thanks. From the get-go I have attempted to stick to the facts and debate the differences in opinion, in a robust but intelligent fashion. That doesn't always work out so good. The Rudybots want this forum to respect their opinions, but they don't care for political dissent if its aimed at Giulinai. Sorry. That's not the way it works in a free and open society. Free speech reigns supreme.
Here's a thought, though. Perhaps not all of us will die, but a certain number surely will if a democrat is elected.The terorists will be emboldened by the election of someone weak on terror. That's not simply my imagination. Cheney pretty much said the same thing.
I speak the truth. Get Rudy some viagara, so he doesn't lose wife number three...
No problem. My style can be rather bone dry sometimes. But I am hurt that after all this time, you did not know I was a Rudybot! You need to get out more. :)
Thank you VERY much! :-)
I agree. But the Rudyphiles say he is the only one who can win. Of course that is a fallacy and we know it.
Better than being called a "COMMUNIST".
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Ever hear of an analogy?
The damage that a Hitlary presidency combined with a Dem Congress will do during a time of war is incalculable.
In my judgment, the tide is going against us, 2006 was just "the first wave", and if we try "more of the same" we will be swamped by the SECOND one.
It behooves us to unite behind the one candidate with the best chance of winning. And unless you are willing to engage in some stupefyingly amazing self-delusion, all the early indicators are that this candidate is Rudy.
Why will he be the best to fight the war on terror? Well, lets see:
A. He has a long history of fearlessly prosecuting the mob, at risk to his own life;
B. He has a long history of having zero-tolerance of crime, and a cleaned up Big Apple to show for it;
C. He was almost KILLED in the Ops Center just underneath Tower I, when it fell on top of that building and they had to run for their lives.
D. He showed tremendous presence of mind, calmness of spirit, and incisive reasoning, not to mention being a Patton-like inspiration to NYC in the aftermath;
E. He personally asked Dubya to be allowed to "throw the switch" if bin Laden was taken alive and sentenced to death (I can't see any of the other candidates doing that, can you?)
He knows how to set out the goals and then give the organization the leeway to run with it (witness the NYPDs clean up of NYC despite the NYT's squealing) - he will use the same tactic in letting the military go and get the terrorists.
And THAT is why Rudy will unquestioningly be THE best of the current crop in fighting the WOT.
Oh, and another thing - with the credibility and respect he has on this issue with the American people, he will be FAR more successful in 'persuading' a Dem Congress to fund the war as it ought to be fought.
Is that enough for you? Or will you now ask me to produce angels dancing on the head of a pin as your final test?
LOL! Nails him, huh?
You're just a big ol' bully.
Knock yourselves out, 2nd team. It was a sad day for your side.
Goodnight!
See post #1329. I'm have no interest in trying to get you to support anyone or not support anyone. You support whoever you choose. I am interested in how people who disagree treat each other. We're on a whole different wave length.
HOO-AAH! And a salute for being able to tolerate that sh*t without doing something that would have put you in the brig!
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