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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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To: onyx; Peach

Good job on that HTML
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1,221 posted on 02/28/2007 5:31:11 PM PST by bwteim (bwteim = begin with the end in mind)
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To: Al Simmons; Torie

Torie was being sarcastic.


1,222 posted on 02/28/2007 5:31:29 PM PST by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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To: Miss Marple; Torie
My apologies Torie. I had thought for a moment you were one of "THEM"


1,223 posted on 02/28/2007 5:31:41 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: garv

Now they're starting on the "you mean conservatives forced me into the Giuliani camp" riff.


1,224 posted on 02/28/2007 5:32:06 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Pimping? You really are lovely.

No, I don't work for any candidate, never have, never will. I actually state my own positions and opinions, for free, all by myself.

Try again. Name names. That was a very bad guess.

1,225 posted on 02/28/2007 5:32:25 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Al Simmons; Torie

Well, in all fairness, Torie did a pretty good imitation. LOL!


1,226 posted on 02/28/2007 5:32:25 PM PST by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: garv

There is a thread this evening about it. It shows Guiliani out polling McCain with evangelicals (look for "white evangelicals" in the title).


1,227 posted on 02/28/2007 5:32:43 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: Torie

Listen, pal, you're getting awfully "good" at that.........LOL.


1,228 posted on 02/28/2007 5:32:43 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance; Rex Anderson
"And I know him as a very humble man,"

...which quality Keyes is able to hide in public with AMAZING alacrity!

1,229 posted on 02/28/2007 5:33:07 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Al Simmons
...which quality Keyes is able to hide in public with AMAZING alacrity!

As the poster of this lame vanity, your opinion of Alan Keyes doesn't mean much to me.

1,230 posted on 02/28/2007 5:34:31 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Al Simmons

Torie was MOCKING the replies that would be made about Ted Olson.


1,231 posted on 02/28/2007 5:34:46 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Put down the Rev. Jim Jones Kool-aid , son.

'Humble' and 'Keyes' should never be used in the same sentence.


1,232 posted on 02/28/2007 5:34:57 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: EternalVigilance
"As the poster of this lame vanity"

So do you normally waste an entire day posting 200 times to "lame vanities"?

1,233 posted on 02/28/2007 5:35:48 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Sunsong
Most of the people you listed are long time Freepers. Some from nearly our beginning. As far as I know, they are very conservative posters. At least one is a favorite stalking target of some of our other long term posters. I try not to intervene too much in their feuds, because the feud is years and several presidential cycles old and neither side has clean hands. I suspect it will go on until one side or the other gets fed up and quits FR.
1,234 posted on 02/28/2007 5:35:49 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: Al Simmons

To: PhiKapMom
You'rer just hoping Rudy will flirt with you.
Give him time. He might even marry you.


880 posted on 02/28/2007 4:23:52 PM CST by JCEccles

Now you know why I wrote back what I did! :) I didn't figure you saw the original comment to me!


1,235 posted on 02/28/2007 5:36:35 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- RudyforPresident2008@yahoogroups.com or http://www.rudygforamerica.com)
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To: Rex Anderson
'Humble' and 'Keyes' should never be used in the same sentence.

The Alan Keyes I know is very humble. I can't help it if your opinions are formed by the Democrat Media.

1,236 posted on 02/28/2007 5:36:45 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Al Simmons
I'm on the same boat. I was on the fence at first, but lately, and since that "Rudy Supporters are traitors" thread 2 days ago, I am now firmly a die hard Rudy Supporter.

At least he is honest about his past and not afraid to address all aspects of the conservative spectrum, even the hardest of the right. I'm positive he won't let us down.

Particularly his ability to manage and his strong crime fighting and legal background.
1,237 posted on 02/28/2007 5:37:06 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: M. Thatcher; EternalVigilance
Try again. Name names. That was a very bad guess.

I'd love to see EV name names, but I see he's either interested in tap dancing around the issue, or digging that hole a bit deeper.

1,238 posted on 02/28/2007 5:37:29 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: EternalVigilance
"The Alan Keyes I know is very humble. I can't help it if your opinions are formed by the Democrat Media"

Oh. So the Democrat Media was sending rays into my brain to influence me when I sat 20 feet away from him and watched him speak in person? Or on TV over the years?

Don't get me wrong - I like Alan Keyes - but he was never more than a sideshow candidate - which he knows very well, I suspect.

1,239 posted on 02/28/2007 5:38:43 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Rex Anderson
I know, it's also the same poll that shows 20% "no chance" and 40% "less likely". When you take into account that most polls show roughly 40-50% of Republican voters either mis-identify or do not know Giuliani's positions on abortion, homosexual rights or gun control it's fairly easy to understand why he would lead even amomg white Evangelicals.

Let's see where the numbers go when his positions are widely known.

1,240 posted on 02/28/2007 5:41:30 PM PST by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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