Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons
Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002
The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.
Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.
Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.
There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.
When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.
Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.
But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.
This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.
When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.
Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.
If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.
To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.
Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.
Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.
If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Go crawl back into the hole you just slithered out of.
The people I named are doing everything they can to alienate, imo, and so I'm interested in whether that is what you are looking for.
I live in Utah where Mormons dominate. Some people claim to be Mormon just to get a job or a promotion. I'm sure you understand what I'm saying here. Just because someone answers all your litmus test questions according to your liking does not mean they are a good and decent person or that they are going to vote the way they say they will. And just because someone else does not believe every thing you believe does not mean that they are somehow treasonous liberals. That kind of simple-minded reasoning will not further conservatism at all. Allowing bullies free reign here does not serve your site, IMHO.
Alan Keyes. And you?
Until now I have been pretty neutral on the Rudy battles here. I have always liked Rudy but I was open to what the "real conservatives" were saying as I think they should also be on board. This thread has helped put me more firmly in Rudy's camp as these hysterics have had the opposite affect
yes,he has
Name names. Unlike who here?
Supporting rudy supports murder.
Back to the drawing board then, I guess.
I don't know, how about you? Or are you pimping this leftist for free?
A man like Keyes should not be idolized as a saviour, that's all. His ego is the only thing bigger than his delusions of grandeur.
Some here? Who? Name names. If you're going to make a charge, back it up with evidence, otherwise it may as well be discarded as the BS it is.
BINGO. Reading a couple of Rudy threads last weekend astounded me and infuriated me to the point that I decided to push back with the "koolaid" thread and now this one.
I was leaning towards Rudy before then - since then, as a one-time New Yorker, the blind regional priggishness of some has really got my dander up. Rudy is a LEADER. No one else in this race can make the same claim.
Romney - A good manager. Not good enough for the Presidency.
You are already a documneted liar at least twice; why don't you go for more and find any post where I have supported Rudy.
We're all watching to see you caught in yet another lie.
Torie just pointed out earlier that he was so fed up with the Rudy-bashing that he was going to max out in contributions to the Guiliani campaign.
Anyway, Torie was just imitating the bashers.
Starting off with 20% of your own party out the door is not a prescription for victory.
Nope no lies, and I didn't claim yoou supported rudy in this post, did I?
Send me your address, and I'll mail you $5 to go buy a frickin clue, dope.
Unlike yourself, I know him. And I know him as a very humble man, in spite of the fact that he has more brainpower than any five RINOs put together.
From the remarks contained in JimRob`s posts in the last month, sounds like FReepers Eternal Vigilance, Spiff, Narses, dirtboy, Delphinium and others, myself included, are in agreement with Jim`s basic ideas of conservatism and the direction he wants Free Republic to take in the future. That would be to advance conservatism and oppose liberalism, in whatever form it takes.
While I do support limited govt, I also know that there has to be some compromise on taxes and budgets. Its not a 100% deal for me. But there are certain issues that I won't compromise on. I don't compromise on the life and liberty issues like abortion, free speech and the 2nd amendment. I also don't believe compromising with liberals on immigration, gay rights and limited govt advances the conservative agenda.
With Rudy Giuliani, conservatives are promised 20%-25% of what their looking for in a presidential candidate. That isn't good enough. Especially on the social issues. With Rudy as POTUS, conservatives get zippo on the social issues. With Reagan most conservatives got a 75% return or better from his policies of the 1980`s. Even Bush43 has given most conservatives maybe 50% of what they were looking for. On the social issues, Dubya has been pretty solid. On domestic fiscal issues, expanding the federal welfare state bureaucracy, immigration policy and CFR, Bush has let conservatives down tremendously.
So now conservatives are being asked to support Rudy for Prez. I don't buy into his candidacy. It doesn't work for this conservative. Maybe as VPOTUS, otherwise I will not vote for Rudy in the primary phase of the nomination process. And I can't see myself voting for Rudy in the general election either. Hopefully, that won't be an option when the time rolls around.
????? In the primaries you vote choice in your party in the general you vote whoever. Most vote straight ticket in the general and are clueless about the primaries. Thats where Talking Head TV Party Leadership Shills come in. They do the thinking for you.
Now as for the ammo box content? Most in here understand the context and concept of it. Our leaders gave us a nation and left us the charge to preserve it and keep it free of tyranny. That was is the very reason for the second amendment. It is our right. It is a vanguard given us as citizens to make certain we never become a nation ruled by tyrants.
Yes they left it there so government could never become so empowered that by intimidation make us subjects of our leaders. That is why politicians in both parties DESPISE it so much. My wording was correct as in the context of the nation the founder gave us. The ammo box & the ballot box forged the United States into a nation. Done so by the will and determination of a minority of men actually. Many sheeple were happy with living under the crown especially the ones holding high positions of power and influence.
I was taught that in public school but not in the PC ones of today. People were armed to prevent tyranny. A simple concept the founders believed in. You can never count on government to be the guaranteer of your rights and freedom. Fear the government who fears your gun. Respect no man who wishes to take your right to such away.
Now I don't care what anybody else does in the general election. I'm going into the voting booth and voting solely for the person who I feel best represents what I believe in. Former Gun Grabbers, Former Pro-Abortion, Pro-open Borders, Pro-Gay Rights, Pro-UN, and such will not be on my list of choices to consider for any office at any level. In doing so I will do my part and best to try and keep the ammo box from ever having to happen. I will have done what the founders expected me to do on election day. How about you? Think about it.
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