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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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KEYWORDS: 11thcommandment; 1dumbvanity; dinos; duncanhunter; fanatics; fauxreaganites; giuliani; rinos; rinotalkingpoints; rudy; yesrinosmustgo
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank goodness, but I'm skeptical. Too much spotlight to turn down.

Plus, EV is on the record for not supporting John Cox, and he certainly isn't bumping any Hunter threads, so it is perplexing.


1,161 posted on 02/28/2007 5:06:14 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: Howlin
What it suggests is that people who are tired of being called traitors and pro-abortion and anti-gun in the face of all known facts will leave.

They'd have no problem if weren't supporting a pro-abortion, anti-gun candidate and therefore turning traitor to conservatism.

1,162 posted on 02/28/2007 5:06:26 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: EternalVigilance
They're the kind that go both ways. Fitting when you're talking about Giuliani.

You are now insinuating that Rudy is gay?

How low can you sink?

1,163 posted on 02/28/2007 5:06:41 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin

Maybe some hacks are not paid very well, and grousing.


1,164 posted on 02/28/2007 5:07:01 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: Cold Heat; Jim Robinson; EternalVigilance; Al Simmons


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/667033/posts?page=58#58






To: BillyBoy; fire and forget
Not long ago Jim Robinson had a post explaining why it behooves all of us to be pragmatic when it comes to the House and Senate and vote for the Republican even if he is a RINO, which Coleman isn't, but as you said, we wouldn't have that idiot Dashole blocking every Republican bill or judicial nominee if we had a Republican majority.

89 posted on 04/16/2002 6:32:31 PM MDT by Cinnamon Girl
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1,165 posted on 02/28/2007 5:07:16 PM PST by BARLF
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To: Rex Anderson

I can't speak for EV or Keyes. It was just my opinion. He'd be nuts to enter the race.


1,166 posted on 02/28/2007 5:07:44 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: Rex Anderson; All
"The principal reason was a shift among white evangelical Protestants, who now clearly favor Giuliani over McCain. Giuliani among this group of Americans despite his support of abortion rights and gay rights, two issues of great importance to religious conservatives."

The people are speaking. Anyone around here listening?

1,167 posted on 02/28/2007 5:08:14 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Torie

It's gossip mongering, period.

He doesn't even "know" people that "know" that stuff.


1,168 posted on 02/28/2007 5:08:14 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: McGavin999

I'm only going to enter this thread to say "ditto" to that post.


1,169 posted on 02/28/2007 5:08:18 PM PST by A Citizen Reporter
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To: EternalVigilance
Any political person who would work for Rooty is by definition an unprincipled hack.

Of course, you do realize that the same thing is said about Alan Keyes, right?

1,170 posted on 02/28/2007 5:10:01 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

Sorry I forgot to ping Cinnamon Girl


1,171 posted on 02/28/2007 5:10:15 PM PST by BARLF
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To: Al Simmons

It's interesting that you say you wouldn't vote for Whitman since a convincing case could be made that she's more conservative than Giuliani.


1,172 posted on 02/28/2007 5:10:15 PM PST by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: Howlin

You think? The charges made about Rudy's people were just so suffused with specificity, so how could that be?


1,173 posted on 02/28/2007 5:10:17 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: Howlin
Of course, you do realize that the same thing is said about Alan Keyes, right?

Nah. He's pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-constitution.

1,174 posted on 02/28/2007 5:11:05 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: Torie

They hate homos. They throw it out like we say damn.


1,175 posted on 02/28/2007 5:11:38 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin

They go Westboro every time!


1,176 posted on 02/28/2007 5:12:43 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: garv
"It's interesting that you say you wouldn't vote for Whitman since a convincing case could be made that she's more conservative than Giuliani."

What I would do 'FOR' Whitman would be more appropriately discussed in a gourmet dining forum. But I still would not vote for her for President...

;>)

1,177 posted on 02/28/2007 5:12:51 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Reagan Man
Yes, I did. It was my first vote, cast out of ignorance and the fact that I grew up in a yellow-dog democrat family.

I voted for Reagan in 1980, having seen what damage Carter did, and have voted Republican ever since.

Are you holding it against me that I wasn't born conservative and had to convert? Don't you WANT people to change theier minds and vote conservative? After all, Reagan himself was at one time a democrat.

1,178 posted on 02/28/2007 5:13:00 PM PST by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: Al Simmons

I didn't have any idea who he is but anyone that tells me I want to marry Rudy along with other snide remarks doesn't deserve my respect. Been around the AF for almost 30 years and trust me I know some really good generals/colonels and some not so good. BTW, I never posted to him on this thread and the comments came out of blue.


1,179 posted on 02/28/2007 5:13:03 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- RudyforPresident2008@yahoogroups.com or http://www.rudygforamerica.com)
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To: Torie

I find it interesting how tender some are on this thread about being in Giuliani's employ. Things that make a guy go "hmmmm..."

Not you, of course...


1,180 posted on 02/28/2007 5:13:13 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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