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Is Driving Rinos out of the GOP Good for the Country? Thought-Provoking Must-Read for Rudy-Haters.
FR | April 16, 2002 | Common Tator

Posted on 02/28/2007 7:54:19 AM PST by Al Simmons

Wedge Issues Posted by: “Common Tator” in FreeRepublic.com April 16, 2002

The one thing that amazes me on this site is the belief by some that the conservative position is the majority position.

Mostly people tend to believe it could be the majority position if the right candidate ran, or if it weren't for the media or RINOs or etc, etc. They really don't have a clue.

Roughly 2/3 of the public has firm views. They have made up their minds and do not change them. This group is nearly equally split between the left and the right.

There are about a 1/3 of the population that is never sure. Sometimes it will go left and sometimes it will go right.

When a party restricts itself to its base it will be in a minority party. The "base only" party will be reduced to crying as the other side works its will. In some nations both the left and right restrict themselves to just their base. That nation then develops five or six parties. And all governments in that nation are coalitions of a major party and some of the minor parties. In that situation the minor party always has more influence than its numbers represent. For the Rino and Dino haters that is the worst of all worlds.

Many of Rino and Dino haters try to make ours a 3 or 4 party system. They never figure out that their splinter right or left party would never get much power in a government based on coalitions. They are too small. It is the centrist parties that have a 1/3 of the public as potential members that get the clout in the Multi Party system. As you can see in a 2 party or a 5 or 6 party system the center tends to prevail.

But in our two party system the center is an instrument the major parties use to enact their goals. In the multiparty system it is the center parties that use the right and left to enact their centrist goals. Such a system like those in Italy and France are RINO and DINO paradise.

This nation now and for all of the last 140 years has been roughly 1/3 left, 1/3 right and 1/3 in the middle. Those in the middle who run for office are what we call RINOs and DINOs.

When Republicans drive RINOs out they leave the party to become DINOs and take their political power with them. The Democrat party gets them by default.

Then the Democrats thanks to its Dino buddies have a veto proof house and senate. It was Barry Goldwater's greatest accomplishment. In my BRAIN I knew Barry would elect a lot of DINOs ... and he did.

If a party with most of the center wins the presidency too, they have a filibuster proof senate. That party then can do anything it wants to do. When the party leadership takes control they implement the parties’ core beliefs. It was what LBJ did after Goldwater drove all the RINOs into LBJ's camp. It let LBJ do the "Great Society." LBJ had to have Barry's help to do it. And Barry did what it took to give LBJ the support he needed... LBJ had all the left. Barry gave him all the center.

To win control a party must keep its base and get over half the middle. If the Republicans have more RINOs than the Democrats have DINOs the Republican agenda prevails. If the Democrats have more DINOs than the Republicans have RINOs the Democrat agenda prevails.

Those that demand the defeat of RINOs are doing all they can to enact the leftist agenda. They are the most valuable asset the left has. One of the most effective tactics in politics in the negative campaign.

Negative campaigns are not about getting votes for your candidate. They are about getting the other side's base to not vote for their candidate. Thus if you can get the right to vote against a Rino or not vote at all, you can elect a very liberal candidate.

If you can force the Republicans to nominate a right wing candidate so right wing he can't get the center voters, you elect the left candidate.


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To: Al Simmons

I remember the same argument being made in 1979.

But Reagan won.

Mitt Romney is not Reagan, but he's no Rudy the RINO either.


1,081 posted on 02/28/2007 4:15:20 PM PST by Blue Collar Republican (Exercising my First Amendment Rights while concealing my Second!)
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To: Howlin
Interesting polls. I agree that Hunter has a lot of work to do proving his electability. I wish him the best.

Did you notice like I did that the number 3 in ABC/WP and 4 in Zogby isn't even running in the primaries?

That's odd.

And, good grief, take the non candidate out, Rudy picks of 9 of his 15 points. Which means if he was in, he' eat into that 44% minority of Rudy's

I don't know if you're a Rudy supporter.

If you are, don't tell the true "howling at the moon conservatives" about this.

They might stop posting pictures and attacking Rudy supporters, and make a positive contribution. And that wouldn't help Rudy at all.

9 of 15 points go to Rudy, which would support speculation that he could strip 60% of Rudy's strength. Not "true conservative" votes though, because of the zipper problem

Anyway, back to reality. Did you see the latest pics of Rudy in a dress.


1,082 posted on 02/28/2007 4:16:50 PM PST by SJackson (No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms, Thomas Jefferson)
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To: EternalVigilance

No, you didn't know it or you wouldn't have been so crude.


1,083 posted on 02/28/2007 4:16:53 PM PST by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Push them away? I've always tried to attract like minded conservative people. Have always stated that Free republic is a consercative site and as a conservative site we are:

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1,084 posted on 02/28/2007 4:18:59 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: Blue Collar Republican
Mitt Romney is not Reagan, but he's no Rudy the RINO either.

Actually, there's little difference between the way the two men have actually governed. Pro-abort, pro-gay, pro-assault weapons ban, etc.

1,085 posted on 02/28/2007 4:19:01 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
This election is a MUST win.

There are conservative 'forces' that would like nothing better than Hillary in the WH. There is a conservative cottage industry that made lots of money (through donations to conservative causes) during the Clinton years that have pretty much dried up.

When a group tries to sell us on THE conservative answer, when we know they have no chance, we should remember they have $$ as their motive.

1,086 posted on 02/28/2007 4:19:18 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: McGavin999
No, you didn't know it or you wouldn't have been so crude.

Baloney. I know exactly who she is, and I've watched the Rooty Tooties hold money over Jim's head throughout. It's shameful.

1,087 posted on 02/28/2007 4:21:16 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: McGavin999

I'm only one of several who work the THON threads, but thanks for your kind words.


1,088 posted on 02/28/2007 4:22:26 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: EternalVigilance

I'm not flaunting anything. I am worried and with good reason. Y'all just post away slamming and slurring posters and think that'll have no consequences. That's nutz.


1,089 posted on 02/28/2007 4:25:31 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
"This election is a MUST win. It reminds me of the Tet Offensive. The enemy has slipped in through the back door and now we have to take back familiar ground just to be able to get back to what we once considered normal."

Exactly. Imagine what would have happened if, in 1940, the isolationists won the presidency and kept control of Congress.

That is exactly what the self-annointed "conscience of conservatism" lobby around here risks happening through their temper tantrums - now that they don't have the candidate, they want to change the rules, take their marbles and go home.

And the country be damned.

1,090 posted on 02/28/2007 4:26:22 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: onyx

Nuttin' nuttier!


1,091 posted on 02/28/2007 4:26:54 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: Rex Anderson

Exactly.


1,092 posted on 02/28/2007 4:28:59 PM PST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Blue Collar Republican
"I remember the same argument being made in 1979. But Reagan won. Mitt Romney is not Reagan, but he's no Rudy the RINO either."

I have news for you too. Rudy is no GHWB. He is a tough cookie. And there ain't no Reagan around (sadly).

The more I hear Romney flip-flop and see his slicked 'do the more I distrust the man. He looks like he's out of 'central casting' - the trouble is, his record doesn't match the rhetoric.

Its Rudy's for the taking - if he fights for it, intelligently, and doesn't waffle, he'll win the nomination.

1,093 posted on 02/28/2007 4:29:34 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: Al Simmons
now that they don't have the candidate, they want to change the rules, take their marbles and go home.

Just wait until Keyes hops into the race. Oh, man, you ain't seen anything until you've seen THAT ego.

1,094 posted on 02/28/2007 4:29:40 PM PST by Rex Anderson (Topeka, Kansas: Home of the Rudy-Haters)
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To: onyx
I'm not flaunting anything. I am worried and with good reason. Y'all just post away slamming and slurring posters and think that'll have no consequences. That's nutz.

You're a hypocrite. You and your little band have been "slamming and slurring" posters here for years.

1,095 posted on 02/28/2007 4:29:43 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: EternalVigilance
I've watched the Rooty Tooties hold money over Jim's head

Facts are facts. When folks feel they or their troop are mistreated, or are unhappy with the management's conduct, they snap their checkbooks shut. What a concept! (But your troop will I am sure make up the difference, so all will be right with the world.)

The think is, is that the owner's bullying, and your bullying, is not going to change a single mind around here about anything. (In fact, I am annoyed enough that I am going to send Rudy a max contribution of $2,300, and do it as soon as I am persuaded he is in the race to stay.) The whole thing is disgraceful, even more disgraceful than the continual and tiresome hounding of you over Keyes, and Keyes doings, by a certain cohort.

Enough already!

1,096 posted on 02/28/2007 4:29:48 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: EternalVigilance

Why is it shameful?


1,097 posted on 02/28/2007 4:31:04 PM PST by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Our God-given liberty and freedoms are not negotiable. "

I agree with you Jim. That is why I will vote for Rudy - so that they are not taken away by the Stalin-in-a-pantsuit.

1,098 posted on 02/28/2007 4:31:16 PM PST by Al Simmons (Why Rudy in 2008? Because National Security should not be left to children.)
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To: McGavin999; onyx; Rex Anderson
I guess none of you have ever seen my statements on my commitment to defending life and liberty?

(see 1084 above

and

http://www.freerepublic.com/home.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts

)

I'm very sorry if you now feel your efforts to support and raise funds for FR was a mistake, but I'm just as committed as ever and will continue trying to attract like minded conservatives. Your efforts and support are greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
1,099 posted on 02/28/2007 4:31:33 PM PST by Jim Robinson (It's "originalists" not "constructionists.")
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To: cva66snipe
Roughly two thirds of the voters simply vote straight party tickets because Grandpa did and so did Pop...The ballot box is the only measure other than the ammo box by which we can for certain change the course of the nation. Voting for the choice of two persons of the same basic wrong policies is national suicide.

Not only do I reject the ammo box in this context, but I'd like you to show me a single state where a voter can vote a straight party ticket in the primaries.

Good grief, Rudy is leading in February, 2007, based on his wot stature, with ten months to the first primary, probably the candidate with the strongest world view, superior experience with the federal bureaucracy yet to enter.

And you're worried about pop and grandpa voting.

To the Rudy supporters reading this, it's not the proper thread, I know about the Arafat incident, took courage, I respect his 9/11 performance.

But his position on world terror.

How to fight it.

How to overcome the inbred bureaucracy at State and even Defense.

He's running for President, so I know he has ideas on the most important issue facing the nation.

The issue most Rudy supporters are supporting Rudy for

I've a handle on Newt's views.

Hunter's too

And McCain, who I suspect might exceed Rudy on this issue.

But Rudy, spitting in Arafat's eye is great, but what does he propose as an encore.

He's on record that less guns=less crime.

Fallacious, but has he weighed in on less guns=less terror?

1,100 posted on 02/28/2007 4:31:57 PM PST by SJackson (No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms, Thomas Jefferson)
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