Posted on 02/24/2007 10:59:08 AM PST by Blackirish
snip/National upshot: Rudy's electoral vote position against Hillary is much stronger than Bush's against Kerry. Rudy puts almost the whole East into play and is significantly stronger in several target states in the Midwest and West. Hillary puts some states into play in the South but with many fewer electoral votes than Rudy does elsewhere. Even if you assume that Hillary is stronger against Rudy today than she was in July, the pairing does place the Republicans in a stronger position than Bush was in '04.
My @ss.
NOT in the SOUTHeast(or SOUTHWEST, or much of the WEST, or flyover country).
Liberal northeastern elitist RINOs do NOT make the vast majority of Conservative Southeastern voters want to run out and support or vote for them, ESPECIALLY when they're gun-grabbibng, abortion-supporting maggots like RINO-rudy.
"Don't blame us for not being "pragmatic" when the idea of pragmatism never entered your brains before the primary. If you give us a candidate we find abhorrent, don't blame us for not helping said abhorrent candidate win."
As I noted yesterday on an earlier thread, as a strong supporter of Guiliani, I respect your wanting another candidate or even trying to stop Guiliani. Pragmatism in a primary seems to be yielding of basic principles. Even with a potential opponent of Hitlery, I do believe that voting your convictions in the primary is the right thing to do. Pragmatism has its place in the primary but only under extreme circumstances. (It is not an unreasonable position to consider a Hitlery candidacy as an extreme circumstance. On balance, I do not.) At this time, I perfectly understand the feelings of I will not vote for Guiliani under any circumstances. The focus on the primary tends to exaggerate feelings. (I believe that Theo labelled it "crap vs vomit")
I do intend on getting in the game in a big way if in fact Guiliani does become the nominee against Clinton. If so, you will be understandable extremely angered and disappointed. I will be calling on your ability to think and believe that you see that there is a clear distinction between Guliani and Clinton. I welcome engaging you in intelligent discourse
should such a general election race materialize.
For now, I wish you god speed in your quest to find the right candidate. I will not at this time spend any time in challenging you as to who is the best candidate in the primary.
There is no clear distinction between Rino Rudy and Hitlary. Both are liberals, I do nto vote for liberals. Period.
I respect your comments, but I can assure you that there is no circumstance under which I'd vote for Rudy - Hitlery or not. With Rudy, I truly believe the party will have reached a point of no return.
Hopefully, it does not come to that. I can get behind anyone but Rudy - I don't think that's a unreasonable position.
Time will tell.
"Finally, I'm not a Rudybot, in fact I'm hoping some new candidate jumps in because I'm not wild about Rudy or Romney and I despise McCain. But if it comes down to Rudy vs. Hitlery, I'll be waiting for the polls to open to vote for Rudy. Her Heinousness has already said that her first act as C-in-C will be to withdraw from Iraq, even if the job isn't finished. I hope the Suicide Conservatives remember that when they sit at home or vote for some third party candidate...."
You have got it exactly right. As a note of qualification, I am a Rudy supporter, however I will substitute any one for Rudy even McCain, who I also despise, and your statement will hold true. I call this the broken glass scenario.
The LSM will be trying to divide us big time. I hope that you will join me in challenging anyone that will sit at home or vote for some third party candidate or in other words de facto votes to put Hillary in the White House. The Rudy vs Hillary contrast is so clear that I will be making the case strongly to those people who even are thinking about hesitating in support of Rudy.
In the primary, I respect the anti Guiliani sentiment which is often heartfelt by many. I will save my powder for the general election.
"It sounds more like you are voting against Hillary not for Rudy. I just want somebody I can vote for, it doesn't have to be Hunter but it cannot be Rudy."
Your sentiment is fine for the primary. If this were the general election choice, it would still be clear. The case to vote against Hillary is strong (broken glass scenario). As a comparison to Rudy, it is even stronger. I intend on making this case if this general election pairing materializes.
Sarcasm.
Truth.
I hope if Guiliani does become our nominee that we can engage in intelligent discourse. At that time I will welcome your challenge to me and hope that you will welcome my challenge. This will come at a time when you have to make a choice.
For now, it is premature to engage in asking you to support Rudy. Your focus is on the primary and you should be doing what you could to support your candidate. For me, against Hitlery, and in fact most, if not all, of the Rats running, I will strongly support the Republican candidate. Even McCain, who I dislike intensely and would not vote for him in any primary, I would walk on broken glass to vote against the Shrew. As a New Yorker, I have had several opportunities to vote against Hitlery. This past election, I was there when the polls opened - even though I knew the effort was futile. Nevertheless, I had to do my part.
The election of 2006 brought us Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid. The biggest reason for this occurrence was that our side did not sufficiently show up. In truth, the Republican Congress and especially their leaders, needed to be thrown out as they have betrayed our cause. They earned their demotion. The rats did not earn their promotion, a fact that is generally accepted by most on both sides. The 2 issues that make this especially horrible is the WOT and judges. I think that you will agree that Treasonous and cowardly actions by the Rat Congress do not help our country one bit. Now to get judges we have to go thru Leahy. While Spector was no bargain, we did get Robers and Alito.
We cannot take actions that will de facto make Hitlery President. If the Guiliani vs Clinton race materializes, I will be strongly making the case for Guiliani. There is a clear difference between the 2 candidates.
LOL...that's brilliant!
From all anecdotal evidence, you are just posting your wish as "fact".
I am long of tooth. I can remember when Nelson Rockefeller was promoting himself with the slogan, "Rocky has never lost an election." Fortunately, there's a first time for everything.
Congressman Billybob
If it comes down to it, I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain over Her Heinousness. Under no circumstances should anybody who truly(as opposed to the RATS who merely say it) supports our troops not vote for the Republican nominee, whoever it is, because Hitlery will screw them, and the people of Iraq, just like the RATS did in Southeast Asia three decades ago. She's already promised that's the very first thing she'll do when she takes over.
"Let's get through the primaries before we play this scenario."
That's what us Rudy supporters are trying to do in the primaries, put ourselves in a strong scenario in which we can defeat Hillary.
Not according to Michael Barone and all the other polls. I think I trust Michael Barone, he writes the Almanac of American Politics for pete's sake. As for you, your knowledge of politics is 180 degrees away from Barone's.
My first choice would have been George "Macaca" Allen, then he went and lost what should have been an easy reelection. If Duncan Hunter can get some serious traction monetarily and otherwise to get his message out, I'd seriously consider him, but as of now, I'm leaning ever so slightly toward Mitt Romney, but it's kind of like the way I leaned ever so slightly toward Bob Dole in '96.
I'd still like for a conservative who can mount a serious challenge to the big three(as of now, I don't see Hunter or Tancredo as being able to do it). The only GOP candidate I won't consider in the primaries is McCain, but if, God forbid, he should win the nomination, I'll hold my nose and vote for him, but I honestly believe he's in for a big shock. He's going to fall by the wayside after South Carolina, leaving Rudy and Mitt. But if the Wicked Witch of the West Wing is the RAT nominee, it's definitely "broken glass" time and I won't hesitate a millisecond before pulling the lever for Rudy.
No I meant I was being sarcastic LOL.
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