Ariz. to still allow racist images on trucks

MSNBC ^ | 02/15/2007

[Responsibility2nd]

PHOENIX - It's still going to be legal in Arizona for trucks to have splash guards with racist terms and silhouettes of naked women.

The House on Thursday rejected a Democratic amendment that would have banned splash guards with "images that are obscene or hateful."

The amendment's sponsor, Rep. Ed Ableser of Tempe, said he'd seen a splash guard that used the word "pickaninny" — a derogatory term for black children — and said his proposal was intended "to make sure those individuals that have hateful motives don't express or push those images upon others in our communities."

Rep. Theresa Ulmer, D-Yuma, supported the amendment and said it fit with lawmakers' other efforts to crack down on pornography and sexual predators.

"I personally am tired of explaining to my 11-year-old son why they (women) are depicted on mud flaps, but not all women are 36Ds. He's very confused by that," Ulmer said. "But seriously, this is about family values — what are we going to send out as a message to our children."

No law on 'hateful' Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Gilbert, opposed the amendment, saying it probably violated First Amendment protections for free speech and that "hateful" isn't defined by law.

Democratic Rep. Ben Miranda of Phoenix voted for the amendment but said he did so only because he felt compelled to do so because a vote against it could be misconstrued.

[Ieatfrijoles]

I hadn't heard anyone say this word in a long time but over the weekend I saw that someone wrote"Stop pickanniny on pickaninny crime," on the ass-gasket holder in the Bay Meadows bathroom.

[Monterrosa-24]

"...a term that was used for the half back/half white children..."

Wha...???...Never in the old Southern literature I've read and not in Yankee Webster's dictionary either. I've never heard mulattoes referred to as pickaninnies. It was an endearing term for Black children.

[Jeff Chandler]

Pickaninny: choose your Democrat politician.

[Larry Lucido]

Hey, I'm offended when I see the naked women on trucks.

At least, that's what you tell your wife.... :-)

[Dr.Zoidberg]

Hey she ain't nekkid, she's wearing a hat.

[Dixie Yooper]

How does one discuss slavery without using words like owned?

Would you say that America's first great Democrat, Thomas Jefferson owned his mistress's children?

[righthand man]

She ain't nekked , she gotta her hat on .

[Plains Drifter]

You get BEST post!

[Yo-Yo]

I thought Picatinny was the accessory mounting system found on modern military firearms.

[wtc911]

Your original post: "Pickaninny is a term that was used for the half back/half white children on plantations. If they happened to be the plantation owner's children, they would most often become house servants."

Your recent post:"We aren't discussing slavery, we are discussing names for children."

[Responsibility2nd]

What is an "ass-gasket holder"?

Wait. Don't answer that.

I probably just don't wanna know.

[Bigh4u2]

"Idiot!"

I was thinking more along the lines of COWARD!

But both work!

[Dixie Yooper]

I'm pretty sure the Websters I had that was printed in the 60's gave that definition. The new ones allow people to say things like Quepon for Coupon or Hieth for Height. If I didn't read it in Websters, then I heard it in a locker room, so it's true.

[Monterrosa-24]

"I'm pretty sure the Websters I had that was printed in the 60's gave that definition..."

There is just no way even Webster's dict. would give that definition to that word. I have a '73 edition and it states "Negro child".

[Hemingway's Ghost]

"I personally am tired of explaining to my 11-year-old son why they (women) are depicted on mud flaps, but not all women are 36Ds. He's very confused by that," Ulmer said.

Ulmer's son sounds like a g-damn idiot, actually.

"That's not a real woman, son."

"Huh?"

"On the mud flap. It's just a picture."

"What?"

"A picture."

"Huh?"

"That woman on the mudflap. She's not real."

"I don't understand."

"That's not a real woman."

"Where?"

"On the mudflap."

"A woman is a mudflap?"

[Arrowhead1952]

There are more pictures on the thread from yesterday.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1787257/posts

[ishabibble]

>>>"I personally am tired of explaining to my 11-year-old son why they (women) are depicted on mud flaps, but not all women are 36Ds. He's very confused by that," Ulmer said.<<<

Dear Mz. Ulmer:

Your 11 yr. old son needs to speak to his father. If his father is not involved in his young life, or if his "father" is just a donor, then you must assume all blame for your son's confusion and remedy it. Making idiot legislation to spread the blame is not going to work. For your "everybody does it, but it is wrong" efforts, your son is now a laughingstock at his middle school. That poor kid.

[Captain Rhino]

Democratic Rep. Ben Miranda of Phoenix voted for the amendment but said he did so only because he felt compelled to do so because a vote against it could be misconstrued.

Another John Kerry Democrat ("I was for it, before I was against it") panders shamelessly to his hypersensitive, humorless constituents of color. Yeah, let's just throw the First Amendment out of the window because some representative of color saw the word "Picaninny" on a mud flap somewhere. And let's make sure that we craft the language of the law so broadly that if some minority or equally hypersensitive party should ever see any offensive words like "Republican," or "Hunter Duncan '08," they can complain and get those banned as well.

[Publius6961]

I like people to have rascist things on their trucks or clothing.

Makes them easier to spot.

Altogether a good thing.
But beyond that, I have had serious problems all my life with the concept of thought crime and hate speech, so long as it is not accompanied by physical intimidation of any kind.

People should be punished for what they do that is otherwise a real crime, not for what they say --- or think.

[Monkey King]

...what are we going to send out as a message to our children."

How about "Freedom of Speech"? That too tough of a message for you?